Trusts

[dasva]

Hmm just noticed the edit with a much lower Nanaa... might be that 5 minutes is too short for the ones with multiple ws to get a real overall dps

[Karbuncle]

She floated around 105~115 most of the 5minutes, only falling lower when she whiffed two wasp stings in a row instead of using a good WS. Even with those whiffs, her DPS is still higher than any other trust.

[kenshyn]

But wouldn't a wasp give piercing weapons a distinct advantage...

[Karbuncle]

But wouldn't a wasp give piercing weapons a distinct advantage...

Excenmille, Lehko, Elivira, and Lion all have piercing weapons other than Nanaa, none experienced such a wide difference in damage over the others, in fact a lot of them scored pretty low on the list.

If it makes you feel better I can test Nanaa on some sheep to see if i got similar numbers, since what you're saying will hold merit.

[Kyte]

I've taken a liking to using Luzaf as 3rd trust when on BLU- he gets TP reasonably quickly and always tries to close darkness with my CDCs with either Grisly Horizon (~800) or Leaden Salute (1200+).

I'm surprised Noillurie did decently- when I eyeballed her, she seemed really, really awful.

[Karbuncle]

Tried sheep, Sheep song f**ked up everything too much... Retested Nanaa, Lekho, and Romaa on non-piercing weak enemies, this time Chapuli/Rabbits. Mostly rabbits.

First "five minute" run gave me:

Lehko - 105 DPS
Nanaa - 89 DPS (and she didnt use anything but Wasp sting for almost the entire five minutes... whiffing half of them, and using King Cobra Clamp once)
Romaa - 85 DPS

A second five minute run got me:

NanaaMihgo: DPS - 101 (actually used DE/KCC a fair bit, still the... the wasp stings man)
Lehko: DPS - 104
Romaa: DPS - 82

Should be noted on the Bees, Lehko only meleed, on the Rabbits/Chapuli he casted tier II spells (for about 750 damage each).. That said, her average melee DPS is still exceptionally high, and the 115 or higher I could see easily being achieved if she doest make dumb choices in weaponskills. Lehko has consistently impressed me with his damage, all his WS are very consistent damage wise like magic WS(They may be), doing about 1400, with Debonair Rush hitting 1600-1800 or so, and when he nukes, his output is much higher as you can see from this test. I think what triggers his nuking is if the mob is weak to piercing or not. If he feels he gets more damage meleeing he'll melee instead of nuke.

Overall, Nanaa still is showing a high DPS threshold, and Lehko only gets better when he nukes. Its hard to find a mob that doesn't Slow, Paralyze, blind, Become immune (I.E Chapuli) and so forth... I tried Rabits and Chapuli for this however, and there you have it. As i said in the first post, your results may vary, but overall regardless of resistance, it looks like Nanaa and Lehko have really high DPS when hasted at least... their attack speed is quite unreal.

[dasva]

Excenmille, Lehko, Elivira, and Lion all have piercing weapons other than Nanaa, none experienced such a wide difference in damage over the others, in fact a lot of them scored pretty low on the list.

If it makes you feel better I can test Nanaa on some sheep to see if i got similar numbers, since what you're saying will hold merit.

Yeah but it still inflate the numbers compared to the non piercing... plus Elivira probably only has piercing on her gun her sword is probably slashing another reason she might be lower is on easier mobs she can kill with Barrage before all the hits proc...

[Karbuncle]

Yeah but it still inflate the numbers compared to the non piercing... plus Elivira probably only has piercing on her gun her sword is probably slashing another reason she might be lower is on easier mobs she can kill with Barrage before all the hits proc...

I know it will inflate compared to non-piercing, was only implying even with the piercing bonus Nanaa had, her DPS was still significantly higher than other piercing-DDs, so at the very least she would be on top of them. Still, did some retest.

[dasva]

I know it will inflate compared to non-piercing, was only implying even with the piercing bonus Nanaa had, her DPS was still significantly higher than other piercing-DDs, so at the very least she would be on top of them. Still, did some retest.

It will still be higher but not as huge. You mentioned 115-130s which comes out to 92-104 without the bonus. With the sams being in the 80s they'd win in terms of DPS against a slashing weak mob and Mumor against a blunt weak. Heck even Ferrous could come close on a blunt weak (but ferrous is a beast of a melee whm). Or piercing strong mob I suppose.

Against piercing weak though yeah it's not even close but good to be aware of them being close enough where changing dmg type weaknesses will change that especially when adding utility some of those jobs in (I pretty much always go with ayame and would even if her dmg was much lower just because of the skillchaining). Speaking of Ayame I assume you took steps to ensure she'd ws at 100%?

Either way thanks for the testing... also since we know a lot of dmg type info especially for bees don't really need to test other mobs can just use the multipliers. Well for most of them. Weird ones like Elvira with her slashing and piercing would be hard to calculate without knowing splits as well as the manthra

[Karbuncle]

It will still be higher but not as huge. You mentioned 115-130s which comes out to 92-104 without the bonus. With the sams being in the 80s they'd win in terms of DPS against a slashing weak mob and Mumor against a blunt weak. Heck even Ferrous could come close on a blunt weak (but ferrous is a beast of a melee whm). Or piercing strong mob I suppose.

Against piercing weak though yeah it's not even close but good to be aware of them being close enough where changing dmg type weaknesses will change that especially when adding utility some of those jobs in (I pretty much always go with ayame and would even if her dmg was much lower just because of the skillchaining). Speaking of Ayame I assume you took steps to ensure she'd ws at 100%?

Either way thanks for the testing... also since we know a lot of dmg type info especially for bees don't really need to test other mobs can just use the multipliers. Well for most of them. Weird ones like Elvira with her slashing and piercing would be hard to calculate without knowing splits as well as the manthra

For Ayame, I used Evisceration, and then kept myself at 100% TP before beginning the test, ensuring that she would always use Gekko as well as WS @ 100% TP... Also with me at 100% she'll use meditate whenever its up. :D

But, all in all, this test is basically to show general DPS Scale, but on certain enemies, certain trusts will do better as you say, slashing weak and so forth.

I've edited my original post on the subject, dividing them into their categories based on type of damage.

[Trumpy]

Would also be good to try the few boosted groupings together as well, altho i am gathering you just had one out at a time. for example lion aldo zeid i think it is boost each other. mumor uka boost and i think nashmeira and the pups boost, granted i know you dont have all those.

Before we could level sync with trusts I was leveling my rng in cnest with my whm mule outside party. So i would have like a tank a healer and a dd trust. For some reason healer always ran out of mp when i used trion valeriana (sp) and curilla. So i tried gessho and he was rarely that damaged and not a mp sponge. so i am guessin Gessho has merits as a tank when blink tanking would be better.

EDIT: Also does Naja Salaheem still use that serious def down tp move, I rememeber at the time people speakin bout how the move was weak but the def down was great enough to be worth having her around?

[dasva]

Would also be good to try the few boosted groupings together as well, altho i am gathering you just had one out at a time. for example lion aldo zeid i think it is boost each other. mumor uka boost and i think nashmeira and the pups boost, granted i know you dont have all those.

I think it zeid just has text not an actual boost. I think Lion doesn't get a boost herself but gives Aldo a rather nice one. Mumor and uka just boost samba duration and waltz potency. Nashmeira grants the blm frame some magic dmg increase and reduced enmity and the pld frame gets more defense and enmity.

[Vathris]

Bloody hell... I missed Mumor then... hnnng gotta catch em all !
Oh well... i have all others so i have that going for me, which is nice...

Actually... i havent gotten the last ones implemented either... but those are not on a timer right? like rainemard and company

[The Assman]

Are Kupipi's weapon skills random? She uses Starlight even when she's at 100% MP and I'm at 50%.

[Karbuncle]

Would also be good to try the few boosted groupings together as well, altho i am gathering you just had one out at a time. for example lion aldo zeid i think it is boost each other. mumor uka boost and i think nashmeira and the pups boost, granted i know you dont have all those.

Before we could level sync with trusts I was leveling my rng in cnest with my whm mule outside party. So i would have like a tank a healer and a dd trust. For some reason healer always ran out of mp when i used trion valeriana (sp) and curilla. So i tried gessho and he was rarely that damaged and not a mp sponge. so i am guessin Gessho has merits as a tank when blink tanking would be better.

EDIT: Also does Naja Salaheem still use that serious def down tp move, I rememeber at the time people speakin bout how the move was weak but the def down was great enough to be worth having her around?

I tested them all in groups of 3 (Trying to group together ones that have dialogue with eachother in case theres bonuses there not mentioned on official forums and such).

Lehko Romaa and Nanaa don't seem to buff eachother, Lehko's large boost in damage seemed to have come from his use of Tier II nukes on one grouping, and not on the other :9

[dasva]

Stags call seems not too bad. Brought rr down to 51 sec recast so seems like normal 15% haste, was just under 15% att boost that stacks additively with berserk and 15 mab

Lasts about 3 min and looks to have a 5 min recast (though you can always get it back early by dismiss and resmning)

[Sechs]

Questions about Uka:

1) What kind of steps does she use? (if any)
2) Does she use only Drain Samba?
3) Does she use Violent Flourish?

[JSHidaka]

1. Box Step
2. For me was only using Haste Samba (my other 2 trust were the galka whm and ulmia if that matters)
3. Never used it, did never ws, did use reverse flourish, healing waltz, and sometimes curing waltz

[Hitou]

Uka can use drain samba III like Mumor, not sure what triggers it for either of them. She'll also ws rarely. Same ws as mumor pretty sure. I've never seen her use Violent Flourish either so I don't think she uses it. She'll only use healing waltz on things that need erase to remove and will use the highest curing waltz she has TP for at the time. I don't think I've seen her use higher than IV, though.

[dasva]

So turns out young excenmille has a 4th unique ws Songbird swoop. But first time I've seen it since getting him and I've been using him awhile.... did good dmg though.

And then after saying it he did it several times... but only on the demons was using orcbane on orcs and other stuff on other mobs