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    I can't remember; do trusts automatically level up when you do, or do you have to resummon them?

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    You have to resummon. Which makes it annoying in the lower levels when you are leveling faster than the cool downs of your favorite trusts.

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    Wait what? Ive never had to resummon trusts when i leveled ever. Do you remember when they were first released and they would go into curing spam cause your gear changed (Which changed yours or their HPs), which changed their levels on the fly. And I recently leveled pup with a friend in level sync parties with trusts. We only ever resummoned trusts when healer had no mp or something. I suppose I could be wrong but Ive never had this issue.

    The only things I know of that needed resummoning were pup autos.

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    Yea, granted I've only been back about 6 weeks but I'm guessing they've changed from when they were introduced. Summon them at level 1 and watch at 12+ how ineffective they are.

    Trust NPCs' levels and attributes vary based upon the summoning player’s level and/or Item Level.

    For regular levels, Trust NPCs don't automatically level with the player. They must be dismissed and resummoned to match the player's level. Item Level changes are reflected immediately, which can be problematic with gear swapping.

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    I previously had a few Trusts before this campaign and now it's kinda overwhelming. Which DDs of the bunch are generally considered top? I usually go with Trion/Ulmia/Whm for the other three, so I want someone who fucks things up but not in a Galadar way. Suggestions?

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    Very limited experience, but I've been pretty amazed at how much damage Zeid II puts out. He will try to close skillchains or hold for 3000 TP.

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    I've found Mayakov to do the most damage, surprisingly enough. His swords do more than Zazarg punches for, and his unique WS can do 2000 to VTs even as early as the 50s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fwahm View Post
    I've found Mayakov to do the most damage, surprisingly enough. His swords do more than Zazarg punches for, and his unique WS can do 2000 to VTs even as early as the 50s.
    Mayakov depends on the fight really. If each fight is of decent length then yeah he's awesome if you are killing things decently quickly his dps drops a lot and he ends up spending most of his time and tp on dancing which kind of sucks though is still rather fabulous

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    Well, if your fights are short enough that he spends all his tp debuffing, then I wouldn't use DD trusts at all; you're high enough level that you'll get faster kills just by using all your trust slots on a healer and the rest support.

    DD trusts shine when you're lower level, with weaker gear, little/no gear haste, weaker WSs, and no access to haste II. Their access to all weaponskills regardless of level makes them much more potent at low levels than high levels (relative to the player), as well.

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    Cosigning zeid ii, using him instead of a ranged character for htb avatars helped a lot.

    I did a lot of leveling subjobs to 50, loved excenmille S for those because of stags call.

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    for levelling ayame is always a solid bet once you can close light or dark and don't have other ws interfering. l3 skillchain should be enough to take at least 70% off of a VT-IT xp mob if not outright kill them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fwahm View Post
    Well, if your fights are short enough that he spends all his tp debuffing, then I wouldn't use DD trusts at all; you're high enough level that you'll get faster kills just by using all your trust slots on a healer and the rest support.

    DD trusts shine when you're lower level, with weaker gear, little/no gear haste, weaker WSs, and no access to haste II. Their access to all weaponskills regardless of level makes them much more potent at low levels than high levels (relative to the player), as well.
    Well that's why I said most!!! So like the inbetween where DDs are still somewhat useful just not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoony Bob View Post
    Very limited experience, but I've been pretty amazed at how much damage Zeid II puts out. He will try to close skillchains or hold for 3000 TP.
    Are there any decent DD trusts that do WS on their own and don't wait for you? A lot of my damage on summoner comes from Garland of Bliss -> P Claws -> Light with P Claws generally doing bonkers amount of damage and Light ruining everyones face afterwards. Yet a lot of the DD Trusts I find will happy drop a 1k WS after me for a pathetic Impaction or some shit. I'd rather have a trust that just WSes when they feel like it.

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    Zeid II, semih, cherukiki and trion is all I used during leveling. They owned so hard.

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    Depending on the situation etc, MNKs and dual wielders trusts can be particulary useful for SMN with Inferno Howl/Crimson Howl/Ifrit's Favor, the Enfire can double/triple their melee damage output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kuno View Post
    Are there any decent DD trusts that do WS on their own and don't wait for you? A lot of my damage on summoner comes from Garland of Bliss -> P Claws -> Light with P Claws generally doing bonkers amount of damage and Light ruining everyones face afterwards. Yet a lot of the DD Trusts I find will happy drop a 1k WS after me for a pathetic Impaction or some shit. I'd rather have a trust that just WSes when they feel like it.
    You can't hope to beat Mayakov in a fa~bu~lo~us off, he's simply the best there is.
    (His unique WS, Coming up Roses, is one of, if not the most, powerful nonUC Trust WSs. He tends to hold TP to 3k/climactic flourish is up and will WS. So I think he's probably what you're after.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kuno View Post
    Are there any decent DD trusts that do WS on their own and don't wait for you? A lot of my damage on summoner comes from Garland of Bliss -> P Claws -> Light with P Claws generally doing bonkers amount of damage and Light ruining everyones face afterwards. Yet a lot of the DD Trusts I find will happy drop a 1k WS after me for a pathetic Impaction or some shit. I'd rather have a trust that just WSes when they feel like it.
    Could possibly try using Ayame, who does the opposite of that - her AI will have her WS as you get to 1000TP to try and open a SC for you, based on the last WS you used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isiolia View Post
    Could possibly try using Ayame, who does the opposite of that - her AI will have her WS as you get to 1000TP to try and open a SC for you, based on the last WS you used.
    Ayame is fantastic, and I almost view her as a support character when you're on a DD job due to the major DPS boost from her constantly opening level 3 SCs for you. Unless you're capable of consistent self SC on your own (say, Mythic AM3 up with capped delay reduction), she's a big time buff that adds more than an extra BRD or something - will be even more true once we have 5 trusts and you can get all the buffs/healing you need without using all trust slots. Your additional SC damage should also outdo any DD trust's own damage contribution.

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    Can Mayakov use Coming Up Roses on flying Wyrms? Dhalmels and birds are funny enough, but a flying Wyrm would be amazing.

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    I have really been impressed by Amchuchu (the taru RUN) lately. Been trying forever to get RUN AF, but never had any luck. Called him out along with healer/support trusts, popped NM's (the elemental and the oboron), engaged mob, then just ran out range and watched them take it down.

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