Ark Angel Battles: The Second Coming

[Darkmagi]

I've had it not charm til 25%, perhaps it has some time based mechanic as well. (On difficult)

[xerodok]

I've had it not charm til 25%, perhaps it has some time based mechanic as well. (On difficult)

Did you try the .dat mod?

[Damane]

Done it as Pld/Dnc and Sch/Rdm on easy. Pld getting hate back after charm was messy, but it was easily survived by running back the tunnel when nearing charm. Typical dots and light nuking for damage. Imagine normal would be a bit rough to fit in enough damage, but might be doable with a different setup.

Your SCH SP2 would have transfered all enmity back to the PLD after charm wore off. easiest solution for that imho

[Ophannus]

Sch is great in general. I've mainhealed on sch for difficult fights. Regen 5 aurora storm,embrava and animo spells are pretty useful. And yeah sp2 is a godsend and let dds zerg the last 25% without much trouble

[Lyramion]

Dont feel like opening a new topic so i'll just ask here. Disregarding Ochain and Aegis, what is the best Shield nowadays for hobo Paladins?

[Martel]

Killedar Shield/+1 would be your best non-Ochain option for physical DMG mitigation.

[Phillymoool]

Could people post more thorough guides to soloin these on Very Easy. Best jobs to do them and strats and Tips on how to survive some of the scarier moments of the fight. I would prolly be using RDM. I have all the proper top notch gear. But accounts with any job will do cause if I have to , I will level up any job to get some of these weapons and gears on my own. thanks!

[Lyramion]

Killedar Shield/+1 would be your best non-Ochain option for physical DMG mitigation.

So Killedar beats out Beastific with it's "increased blockrate" whatever it is with -4% PDT augs?

[Martel]

So Killedar beats out Beastific with it's "increased blockrate" whatever it is with -4% PDT augs?

Beatific is currently untested. Being a size 1 shield, it's block dmg reduction is too freaking low to create a visible gap between the dmg on blocked and unblocked hits. Making it a Huge pain in the ass to test. Basically, I can't parse it.

It's now possible to view blocked and non block hits via battle mod, but it's incompatible with Kparser. Which means I'll have to hand gather the data out of my log files. Which is, again, a huge pain in the ass. I actually have a sample in my logs waiting for me to have the time to go through it.

But, even if we don't know Beatific's exact potential, we do know Killedar's. And we have some idea of the possible range of beatific's stats.

Killedar stats vs a 105 mob(my last test with killedar at +100 skill.)

Blockrate 60%
Block dmg- 87%

So killedar's total DMG reduction would be -52.2%. This being before the PDT on the shield, as that's largely irrelevant, considering the ease of capping PDT.

So, we know that Beatific has less dmg- than any size 3 shield since it fails to create a dmg gap. The base dmg- for a size 3(before def) is 50%. So, lets try a very generous 45%.

If we, extremely generously and unrealistically, assumed 100% blockrate for beatific shield, then at 100% block rate, and -45% dmg on block, you get -45% dmg reduction.

This already falls short of killedar. Then you have to consider, than Killedar can benefit from reprisal and palisade. Whereas we're already assuming capped rates on beatific.

So, there's literally no way beatific can beat killedar. Even with beatific being given unrealistic advantages like capped block rate.

TLDR: There's absolutely no way Beatific can win against Killedar in terms of physical dmg reduction.

The best uses of Beatific for PLDs would be;

1) For shield mastery TP gain(Shield mastery+2 augment) For non Ochain PLDs.
2) Skill up.
3) I was trying to fit a MDT use in, but I'm pretty sure PLD can cap with just shell IV np. <,< I dunno, MDT idle??

[Trumpy]

The RoE shield no good either?

[Martel]

The RoE shield no good either?

I haven't looked at it. Gimme a sec...

EDIT: Well, that's a nice predictable shield.
Size 3
DEF:50 HP+40 MP+40 Shield skill +100 Enmity+5 Damage taken -3%

Same skill + as Killedar, and same size. So we can safely assume identical block rates. So using 60%.

Base block dmg- for a size 3 shield. 50%. +25 via def. then +6 from shield def bonus. So should be -81% dmg on block.

So.
Eminent: -48.6%
Killedar: -52.2%

Killedar is still better. Not a Ton better, but better. More HP too.

[Lyramion]

TLDR: There's absolutely no way Beatific can win against Killedar in terms of physical dmg reduction.

Much appreciate the time you took to give insight. Have +4 virtual nonexistant internetfamepoints.

[dasva]

Wonder if the eminent shield might have some kind of hidden latent. All the weapons have latents...

[Martel]

Wonder if the eminent shield might have some kind of hidden latent. All the weapons have latents...

It's certainly plausible that it might have one. Although what it might be, I dunno. And why make it invisible? All the weps have stated latents.

[dasva]

Idk SE does do silly things sometimes. I'd hope more def... I'll try checking it out

[Damane]

Idk SE does do silly things sometimes. I'd hope more def... I'll try checking it out

I doubt that considering they have opened themself up on the last update and have literally writen out all effects of enhances + blabla on ilvl 119 artifact.

[Tachi]

I managed to solo every AAs (VE) once with SMN/RDM but I don't think it's feasible without at least Seraphicaller... Leviathan was one of the best avatar choice because of Slowga+Tidal Roar+Bio II combo (30% Slow and 35% Atk Down). Used RR, Tavnazian Taco, Echo drops, Remedys (Para from HM/EV), Panaceas (Bind from GK), Coalition Ethers etc.

TT
Garuda (resist Petri from Amon Drive). Astral Conduit during Blood Weapon, I ran into the stairs during Manafont. Not much else to say, very easy.

MR
If both me and my freshly summoned avatar were hit by Havoc Spiral before hate was established the only thing I could do was to Release, call a spirit and pray. Fortunately, this happened very rarely.
Astral Conduit at 35%~ with Ramuh (resist Cloudsplitter)
Pet can be easily Sleep with ilvl weapon+macc gear.

HM
Slowga+Tidal Roar+Bio II full time. Main danger was to not get caught by MS Cross Reaver. Dawn Mulsums would certainly help during MS phases.

EV
Avatar was almost all the time stunned. There's a short window between each Shield Strike where Stun is off, enough to land a BP if I spam my macro after the last Shield Strike. EA in a case of Arrogance Incarnate but it was useless I think. I summoned a spirit if my avatar was getting killed by AI too early.
Dispel landed fine with ilvl weapon+macc gear. Astral Conduit was pretty much useless.

GK
Has a ton of HP. My avatar could almost survive to the 3 WS of Meikyo Shisui.

[NynJa]

Wouldnt Ramuh and Titan be immune to stun, or is shieldbash's stun effect considered non-lightning?

[dasva]

I can't speak for the EVs move but shield bash doesn't work on thunder/earth elementals nor can I think of any player stun move that does

[Tachi]

Ramuh/Titan don't resist Shield Strike's Stun. I beat her two more times already, each kill took less than 20 min. I considered her the hardest AA to solo before but now she is the easiest (behind TT). Don't even need EA if I make sure to Release/recast my avatar after a TP move and I don't bother with Slowga/Tidal Roar anymore.