2.1 Patch Notes

[barber2006]

"Were" being the operative word. If you missed the boat on titan sales or 2 stars you are pretty much in the same boat as any server.

It's just hard for me to see why housing is the item SE chose to make the grindfest for. It seems like it should be the most casual part of the game since it is completely aesthetic and caters to a sims crowd. Makes more sense to put an ilvl 96 weapon from a quest from killing 500 extreme primals than for housing of all things to be the carrot.

[Lucavi]

To get rid of RMT gil. Yoshi admitted it on the OF.

One thing (of many) that's retarded about this line of thought is that RMT are still around, yet you want to get rid of RMT gil that the players own, or, will own once they buy more RMT gil. It makes little sense unless you just enjoy banning the desperate parts of your playerbase that will buy gil to obtain something normally out of reach to them. FC housing fits the bill for that perfectly, so maybe SE is trying to trim subscription numbers or something.

[Kincard]

Implying decorating a house is even content, especially when other games have done it way better. Don't get me wrong I think the prices are retarded but to call this game's housing system "content" is stretching it a little. At least according to what we know of it anyways.

If we get in the game and you can move everything pixel by pixel and create works of art with various furniture/items I will stand corrected.

It's content regardless of how bad you think it is in comparison to other games. I'm just tired of hearing this "lol hardcore content" crap when it obviously makes no sense for this (especially when it's plain to see from different prices across servers means they're just trying to clean out inflated RMT gil), who the heck uses hardcore content to bar people from the only type of content everyone can enjoy? FTR I actually like hardcore content like RMEs from FFXI but unless you're trolling "hardcore" and "decorating a house" shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

[Kuishen]

There isn't a single thing in this game that I'd classify as hardcore content so I guess I'm not disagreeing with you.

[Foxer]

I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a titan shout for higher than ~250k in a couple months. Last I remember it was as low as 100k. And maybe 2-4 groups max made a living on selling Titan.

Sucks to be new / everyone else, I guess?

I hope you're not complaining about being poor. If you played the game, you could have made a living grinding the shit out of fleece, webs, and/or hides. If you're not gonna put in the effort or time, don't expect to keep up. Has nothing to do with being new, unless you're like BRAND new, in which case, you are expected to be poor.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Not exactly complaining about being poor. I'll be the first to admit I don't give a shit about making money and I barely spend what I get. Just saying that...

If a small group of friends can't afford a small house or close to it then they're shit at making money. The only "outrageous" price is the large house.

... is a very silly thing to say for the Legacy prices, when you immediately reinforce it by saying "oh you should have been selling 1mil Titan wins".

[Katlan]

To get rid of RMT gil. Yoshi admitted it on the OF.

One thing (of many) that's retarded about this line of thought is that RMT are still around, yet you want to get rid of RMT gil that the players own, or, will own once they buy more RMT gil. It makes little sense unless you just enjoy banning the desperate parts of your playerbase that will buy gil to obtain something normally out of reach to them. FC housing fits the bill for that perfectly, so maybe SE is trying to trim subscription numbers or something.

This is their design philosophy for so much if the game and it only hurts him. What Gil
Is he removing? Rmt aren't gonna be buying houses so it won't affect their Gil unless this pushes more ppl to buy it (which it will)

[Fojoop]

If a small group of friends can't afford a small house or close to it then they're shit at making money. The only "outrageous" price is the large house.

This is an insane thing to say.

I hope you're not complaining about being poor. If you played the game, you could have made a living grinding the shit out of fleece, webs, and/or hides. If you're not gonna put in the effort or time, don't expect to keep up. Has nothing to do with being new, unless you're like BRAND new, in which case, you are expected to be poor.

All of those things sound less fun than logging off.

[Eanae]

All of those things sound less fun than logging off.

Do you ever not bitch?

[gaogaostegosaurus]

Do you ever not bitch?

To be fair, he likely considers it more fun than actually trying to earn some gil

[Andradi]

Make money doing what? The last time I made a 2 star I'm pretty sure I took a loss overall since over the week a bunch of retards undercut 10k at a time. There's nothing profitable other than selling runs and selling philosophy mats to people who actually think crafting is useful, unless you want me to run around to rare nodes all day, and even then, 300 gil per strike sounds real attractive, right? If you didn't bumrush crafting at the beginning of the game's life there's fuck all left that's more profitable than just running dungeons.

Back when I was bothering to craft for cash, the good profit margins were in midlevel gear. For an hour or less of crafting each day the profits were 50-200k depending on how much competition would appear. One star competition was so stiff it wasn't worth making relative to the cost of the mats.

Not the big lumps sums two stars give you, but steady and reliable. Got bored of it after making myself a bunch of **s, but I assume it still works. An FC mate was complaining about holes on the boards a couple of days ago.

[Kincard]

I hope you're not complaining about being poor. If you played the game, you could have made a living grinding the shit out of fleece, webs, and/or hides. If you're not gonna put in the effort or time, don't expect to keep up. Has nothing to do with being new, unless you're like BRAND new, in which case, you are expected to be poor.

what a splendid idea

i can earn maybe 30k for a stack of 99

so just farm about 25000 fleece and you can buy the smallest house guys

what a fun game

Back when I was bothering to craft for cash, the good profit margins were in midlevel gear. For an hour or less of crafting each day the profits were 50-200k depending on how much competition would appear. One star competition was so stiff it wasn't worth making relative to the cost of the mats.

Not the big lumps sums two stars give you, but steady and reliable. Got bored of it after making myself a bunch of **s, but I assume it still works. An FC mate was complaining about holes on the boards a couple of days ago.

I've made a decent amount selling mid-level gear as well but I think a couple things have happened:
1. everyone else figured that out
2. everyone figured out you outlevel that shit in an hour
3. everyone figured out NPCs sell armor of every single level just not necessarily in the main towns

Personally I still prefer logging on 5 minutes every day so I can run to the armorer guy and back just so I can sell shitloads of iron ore throughout the week to Gridanians and Uldahns. Profits arn't big, but the upside is I'm not wasting hours of my life killing virtual sheep for hours- I don't get how any of you, even the "lol im so hardcore" crowd can stand that, unless you're part of the cool kids crowd that's botting sheep and then telling other people how much they suck for not being as rich as you.

[Ezek]

If I had gotten on board the crafting money train earlier, I would have made a whole lot more. Still kinda sad I didn't take advantage of that like some people that I know. The market on Ultros has pretty much tanked for the most part now from crafting to sell runs.

[Fojoop]

what a splendid idea

i can earn maybe 30k for a stack of 99

so just farm about 25000 fleece and you can buy the smallest house guys

what a fun game

You were supposed to have farmed 100m gil and taken advantage of everyone the first 2 months of the game, duh!

Seriously, how exactly do you earn gil now? Nothing is worth jack shit. Sell materia all day? These housing prices are worse than release repair costs.

[Kyata]

Did they forget to add the ability to summon chocos while queuing for DF, or was it scheduled for a later patch?

[Deadgye]

Considering your Titans were selling for 1mil on legacy vs the 100k on non-legacy everything should make you a hefty bit more money, yes.

Titan runs started our selling for 600-700k on Lamia. Unless legacy servers were initially going for 5m+ per titan run the servers would seem to be closer than you thought.

I could have had a couple million if I had whored myself in Mor Dhona for a few weeks. I just couldn't justify spending that many hours doing nothing but that because it'd be worse than a job.

[Kairos]

FTR I actually like hardcore content like RMEs from FFXI but unless you're trolling "hardcore" and "decorating a house" shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

What do you mean. Hardcore house decorating parties are the shite. Don't attempt to join one without a curtain hanger+1 in hand.

[Patriarch]

What do you mean. Hardcore house decorating parties are the shite. Don't attempt to join one without a curtain hanger+1 in hand.

bravo

[Arelian]

I hope you're not complaining about being poor. If you played the game, you could have made a living grinding the shit out of fleece, webs, and/or hides. If you're not gonna put in the effort or time, don't expect to keep up. Has nothing to do with being new, unless you're like BRAND new, in which case, you are expected to be poor.

Except farming these items doesn't make money. It transfers it. How is someone going to afford a small-sized house, starting out at nothing due to being new, when the majority (possibly) of the money in the economy literally vanishes when people purchase housing? I've seen estimates that place the largest houses at about 1/6-1/8 of a server's total economy. That money will literally vanish into the ether once spent on a house.

That's the confusing bit and it's going to make people incredibly bitter when 3 months down the road they slash housing prices because suddenly a billion gil no longer exists in the economy, thus making housing prices unattainable in any realistic fashion.

edit: Just for some clarification. Yoshi-P stated that a combat class will be able to pull in approximately 20k/day just doing combat stuff. That's gil generated. This is the key word here. This is literally making the money. He stated that the expected time for a small group of friends (let's say about 10 people) to purchase a house is 3 months. That's 90 days of 10 people making the "basic" amount of money per day. Not trading money, but making it. This group of friends will not be able to afford the most basic of housing on a legacy server (20m for the smallest plot, I believe?) within 90 days. If these 10 people decide to purchase their plot of land at 20mil gil, that money is gone. It is not money you can make off of them ever, and it disappears entirely.

To make the 312 million gil needed for a huge FC house? 174 people need to make 20k gil/day to obtain a 312 mil house within 90 days of the patch going live We can halve that if the 50% price reduction is in effect, which is still 87 people all contributing the same amount of money per day that is generated by the system.

edit #2: The upside to the outrageous prices is the fact that everything else should be lowered in price, as there will be significantly less gil in the system to be traded.

[Spider-Dan]

Patch 2.2: all housing prices are reduced by 90%.

Seriously, housing only exists to equalize gil between legacy and non-legacy. The pricing screams it.