2.1 Patch Notes

**CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon** · 2013-12-17 13:20

Originally Posted by Makado

"Wahh I can't have FC housing the first day, I have to actually organize and construct a plan with my FC and have a goal to work towards."
"Oh my god there are no ways to make gil only 3 items sell in the market."

I can't believe people are seriously complaining about this shit. I'm so sick of peoples instant gratification attitude. MMOs are there because you can work towards something, and it feels good when you finally win that fight, get that achievement, buy that house. Why is it so bad to really work together to earn something, really come up with ideas and plans together?
If you really can't find good ways to make gil, your lazy. Period. I started on a legacy server as a first time player and if I want to make money, I can. You need to be smart, but there are a lot of things you can do if you put effort into it and not cry on the forums all day.

No one wants to wait THREE months for the SMALLEST property. I get they wanted to make content that lasts for a long time and there's something to achieve but realistically they should have made the smallest piece of property affordable for 80% of the FC's right from day one. Mid property should have been more a stretch that takes a few months to get and the large should have been a long term goal. Saying people are mad because they have to wait three months to buy the smallest house is entirely understandable. Thanks SE for the content that only a few people on the server can afford because they jumped on the crafting train week 1&2 and made their billion then. Everyone else? Sucks to be you.

**Arelian** · 2013-12-17 13:23

Originally Posted by Makado

"Wahh I can't have FC housing the first day, I have to actually organize and construct a plan with my FC and have a goal to work towards."
"Oh my god there are no ways to make gil only 3 items sell in the market."

I can't believe people are seriously complaining about this shit. I'm so sick of peoples instant gratification attitude. MMOs are there because you can work towards something, and it feels good when you finally win that fight, get that achievement, buy that house. Why is it so bad to really work together to earn something, really come up with ideas and plans together?
If you really can't find good ways to make gil, your lazy. Period. I started on a legacy server as a first time player and if I want to make money, I can. You need to be smart, but there are a lot of things you can do if you put effort into it and not cry on the forums all day.

Except you CANNOT make money in any meaningful capacity. You can earn money that has the very high potential to cease existing altogether.

Why is this so hard to understand? Selling things on the trading post is not making you money.

**Wulfgang** · 2013-12-17 13:37

Has anyone done a LV 50 full party treasure map (believe it was the peisteskin one) fight / hunt yet? Curious about:

1) How rare are the maps from FSH / BTN / MIN

2) How hard is the fight (said you need a full party, but I doubt that for competent players given a full party can clear Twintania...)

3) What were the rewards? My pre-patch guess was materia (couldn't think of any materials with sufficient value really), but no idea

**Makado** · 2013-12-17 13:43

Originally Posted by CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon

No one wants to wait THREE months for the SMALLEST property. I get they wanted to make content that lasts for a long time and there's something to achieve but realistically they should have made the smallest piece of property affordable for 80% of the FC's right from day one. Mid property should have been more a stretch that takes a few months to get and the large should have been a long term goal. Saying people are mad because they have to wait three months to buy the smallest house is entirely understandable. Thanks SE for the content that only a few people on the server can afford because they jumped on the crafting train week 1&2 and made their billion then. Everyone else? Sucks to be you.

I don't care about the semantics of "its not true gil earned blah blah", if gil is going into my pocket I'm making money. And on my server a small house is only 40mil. If I really wanted to I could probably make 500k, say, in a day. So I could by myself afford this in only 40 days. Most FC have more then 1 player, if you had a FC that really wanted to you could earn a small house within a week, from scratch.

**Arelian** · 2013-12-17 13:52

Okay, try to listen carefully. Here's the real problem.

Are you listening?

When someone purchases a house, that money is gone. Poof! It ceases to exist. It can no longer circulate in the economy. Are you still following me?

What happens when the majority of the money currently circulating the system does this? That's right. You can no longer earn the money by using the trading post. This will cause all goods to be reduced in price, because there is significantly less money in existence. This is fine, because it brings an economy under control. However. The 40million gil required to purchase a small plot of land will, at best, be reduced to 20 million. Earning 20 million gil in an economy that has suddenly lost several hundred million will no longer be a matter of, "Oh, I can earn 500k in a day." You won't be able to, simply because there is less money in circulation.

Are you still following? I know it's awfully complicated.

**Tyrath** · 2013-12-17 13:56

WAIT WAIT. Can you get maps from fishing? Here I thought I was doomed because I didn't have Botany or Mining leveled.

**CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon** · 2013-12-17 13:59

Originally Posted by Arelian

Okay, try to listen carefully. Here's the real problem.

Are you listening?

When someone purchases a house, that money is gone. Poof! It ceases to exist. It can no longer circulate in the economy. Are you still following me?

What happens when the majority of the money currently circulating the system does this? That's right. You can no longer earn the money by using the trading post. This will cause all goods to be reduced in price, because there is significantly less money in existence. This is fine, because it brings an economy under control. However. The 40million gil required to purchase a small plot of land will, at best, be reduced to 20 million. Earning 20 million gil in an economy that has suddenly lost several hundred million will no longer be a matter of, "Oh, I can earn 500k in a day." You won't be able to, simply because there is less money in circulation.

Are you still following? I know it's awfully complicated.

You have so much more patience than me lol.

If I really wanted to I could probably make 500k, say, in a day. So I could by myself afford this in only 40 days.

You're saying 500k a day for 40 days straight to afford the smallest plot of land. If you can't see the problem with that statement then I can't help you.

**Rocl** · 2013-12-17 14:01

Originally Posted by Tyrath

WAIT WAIT. Can you get maps from fishing? Here I thought I was doomed because I didn't have Botany or Mining leveled.

Yes. Patch notes even list the specific fishing holes you can get them from.

**Makado** · 2013-12-17 14:06

Originally Posted by Arelian

Okay, try to listen carefully. Here's the real problem.

Are you listening?

When someone purchases a house, that money is gone. Poof! It ceases to exist. It can no longer circulate in the economy. Are you still following me?

What happens when the majority of the money currently circulating the system does this? That's right. You can no longer earn the money by using the trading post. This will cause all goods to be reduced in price, because there is significantly less money in existence. This is fine, because it brings an economy under control. However. The 40million gil required to purchase a small plot of land will, at best, be reduced to 20 million. Earning 20 million gil in an economy that has suddenly lost several hundred million will no longer be a matter of, "Oh, I can earn 500k in a day." You won't be able to, simply because there is less money in circulation.

Are you still following? I know it's awfully complicated.

2000 people doing dailies adds 180million into the economy every day assuming you make 90k a day about for them as I saw someone say earlier. Losing 40mil here and there isn't really a problem as far as I can tell.

**Makado** · 2013-12-17 14:09

[/QUOTE]You're saying 500k a day for 40 days straight to afford the smallest plot of land. If you can't see the problem with that statement then I can't help you.[/QUOTE]

What? I'm saying alone. A FC with 40 organized players could have one in 2 days doing this.

**Jem** · 2013-12-17 14:10

Originally Posted by CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon

You have so much more patience than me lol.

You're saying 500k a day for 40 days straight to afford the smallest plot of land. If you can't see the problem with that statement then I can't help you.

That's just 1 person. FC's are not made of just 1 person. Housing prices are silly, especially for people on Legacy but that is an awful counter argument.

**Arelian** · 2013-12-17 14:11

Originally Posted by Makado

2000 people doing dailies adds 180million into the economy every day assuming you make 90k a day about for them as I saw someone say earlier. Losing 40mil here and there isn't really a problem as far as I can tell.

I've not heard this figure anywhere, as Yoshi-P explicitly stated that they expect a battle class to make up to 20k/day. 90k/day is a much higher number.

**Corrderio** · 2013-12-17 14:14

I'm not trying to sound greedy, but to me the whole "do stuff with your FC and pool gil together" mindset just seems like a poor choice on obtaining a house.

**Makado** · 2013-12-17 14:15

Originally Posted by Arelian

I've not heard this figure anywhere, as Yoshi-P explicitly stated that they expect a battle class to make up to 20k/day. 90k/day is a much higher number.

Just what I saw someone post, but even with 20k a day its adding in 40mil a day with 2000 players.

**Yukari** · 2013-12-17 14:16

How exactly are you getting 20k per day? I know that that's Yoshi-P's figures, but how exactly do you get that amount?

**Arelian** · 2013-12-17 14:17

I imagined it was a combination of dailies/leves/duty roulette? I can't say as I haven't played yet.

**Makado** · 2013-12-17 14:22

Also does anyone know how any leves you get a day? Like 9 maybe? Because I know I gained like..5000-6000 per leve before, not sure if they raised it but if it was 9 a day just that I could "gain" around 45k a day just doing those.

**Corrderio** · 2013-12-17 14:24

3 in 12 hour intervals IIRC. Not sure on gil rewards since I stop doing them around the 23ish range and camp FATEs. Though after the buff they may become viable again.

**CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon** · 2013-12-17 14:29

It's an unrealistic expectation for the SMALLEST piece of land. With the new content who wants to spend their days strictly making cash to buy the smallest piece of land? You make it seem like you can make 500k in 1-2 hours a day consistently everyday no problem. If everyone did this, which you're assuming, you won't be making 500k a day as the market would be flooded. If you want to talk about gil entering the game, like the 90k a day you said above, you need to factor in people using that 90k for stuff like repairs, teleportation and food. It's really not that much. It's good for offsetting basic game expenses but that money comes in as easy as it goes out(removed from game).

What it comes down to is FC housing, which people expected to be able to afford the smallest plot upon launch, actually requiring a decent grind to a large grind depending on the size of your FC. For FC's like mine with a dozen members, buying a house isn't an option at the 20 mil price tag as we'd rather be doing primals, coil, CT, basically anything else. If you could make cash by doing said things, it'd be a different story.

also totally read your 40 days/500k thing wrong for one person, my bad!

**layoneil** · 2013-12-17 14:30

Originally Posted by Makado

"Wahh I can't have FC housing the first day, I have to actually organize and construct a plan with my FC and have a goal to work towards."
"Oh my god there are no ways to make gil only 3 items sell in the market."

I can't believe people are seriously complaining about this shit. I'm so sick of peoples instant gratification attitude. MMOs are there because you can work towards something, and it feels good when you finally win that fight, get that achievement, buy that house. Why is it so bad to really work together to earn something, really come up with ideas and plans together?
If you really can't find good ways to make gil, your lazy. Period. I started on a legacy server as a first time player and if I want to make money, I can. You need to be smart, but there are a lot of things you can do if you put effort into it and not cry on the forums all day.

you're a fool. Housing was content they've been teasing for what 2 months now? people have been planning and saving since they first announced it. people were expecting to be able to buy something right after the patch so they can play with designing stuff and making furniture after the patch.

this patch was suppose to release Housing as Content for the playerbase to interact with. you're not releasing content when all the actual features are still gated from more than half the playerbase for another 3 months.

small plots should've been the same price across all servers so everyone can within days interact with it so the patch actually has housing content for people to consume. the biggest hurdle should have been getting the FC Rank to go up.

they should've released prices long before the patch so people could've planned properly before it came out.

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