FFXIV PVP Discussion Thread: HAHAH SLEEP!

[Wulfgang]

this kind of makes me sick, I didnt do pvp from the day it came out til today

I'm the only person with no morale gear on lol really missed the boat on this shit

not his comment, just full i90 pvp set

I started PVP last night with full i90 BRD. Got absolutely raped like 5x in 50s and decided to do 30/40 until I got some PVP gear. Have been doing alright solo queue, but it's a total crapshoot; I've basically learned that your win or loss depends like 85% on the healer. With a geared SCH who knows LoS mechanics and is mobile, you like can't lose unless the other team has the same.

[Fondue]

I started PVP last night with full i90 BRD. Got absolutely raped like 5x in 50s and decided to do 30/40 until I got some PVP gear. Have been doing alright solo queue, but it's a total crapshoot; I've basically learned that your win or loss depends like 85% on the healer. With a geared SCH who knows LoS mechanics and is mobile, you like can't lose unless the other team has the same.

I thought this too and then you get those same people queueing 30/40/50 caps all at the same time and you get them there too lol

[Kipling]

I started PVP last night with full i90 BRD. Got absolutely raped like 5x in 50s and decided to do 30/40 until I got some PVP gear. Have been doing alright solo queue, but it's a total crapshoot; I've basically learned that your win or loss depends like 85% on the healer. With a geared SCH who knows LoS mechanics and is mobile, you like can't lose unless the other team has the same.

Disagree. I can solo insta-gib healers pretty quickly, even rank 30 ones if I get a lucky crit on one of my abilities or enkindle. I usually just play "zerg the healer" now because there is no battle res outside of healers.

[Yugl]

I thought this too and then you get those same people queueing 30/40/50 caps all at the same time and you get them there too lol

The gear doesn't matter at those levels though (Morale doesn't affect those levels supposedly).

I started PVP last night with full i90 BRD. Got absolutely raped like 5x in 50s and decided to do 30/40 until I got some PVP gear. Have been doing alright solo queue, but it's a total crapshoot; I've basically learned that your win or loss depends like 85% on the healer. With a geared SCH who knows LoS mechanics and is mobile, you like can't lose unless the other team has the same.

Not sure why you specify SCH here. Thanks to the update, WHM has become much more competitive due to having vastly superior CC actions. Specifically, SCH has no CC actions that WHM does not. WHM is the only healer capable of sleep, heavy, and instant bind.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Sch has heavy I'm the form of miasma and instant bind in the form of swiftcast bliz2 (not that that's a particularly good use of swiftcast).

[Alistaire]

Sch has heavy I'm the form of miasma and instant bind in the form of swiftcast bliz2 (not that that's a particularly good use of swiftcast).

The heavy was removed from miasma for pvp.

[Wulfgang]

The gear doesn't matter at those levels though (Morale doesn't affect those levels supposedly).



Not sure why you specify SCH here. Thanks to the update, WHM has become much more competitive due to having vastly superior CC actions. Specifically, SCH has no CC actions that WHM does not. WHM is the only healer capable of sleep, heavy, and instant bind.

Not PVP expert at this point; SCH just seemed stronger in my limited experience, but your points are all valid. Most likely because I'm queuing 30/40 where most healers frankly don't even try to CC; half the healers I've gotten seem to have wandered over directly from Haukke Manor. In that case, a well-placed fairy is kind of nice. Tempted to try out my WHM, but I think I would get raped.

Having fun, but queue times are terrible (~5 min average during prime time for a 1 minute fight). Entering as a duo seems to cut the waits materially, but it's kind of random.

[Kipling]

Queue time depends completely on your data center. On mine I've been told Q's for melee are almost instant, whereas the new changes make ranged DPS Queue take about 5+ minutes, and maybe 10+ on bad days every time (I just had a 15 minute queue on SMN).

Also, on SCH: SCH used to be much more competitive when all they had to do to kite a MRD or Melee chasing them was Miasma2+sprint. However, now it's considerably harder for them. A good SCH who micro manages the pet can still force her to cure priority targets even when they're kiting and can't cast and will be super annoying. SCH also has insane dmg potential compared to WHM with cleric stance and their dots... but that generally requires you're either 1) a level 30 SCH 3) you're a level 30 SCH in a pre-made who peels and protects you and has pvp gear to mitigate enough dmg for you to actually cast dots.

Right now I would say WHM is stronger simply because of their ability to burst heal themselves and others with cure 2 paired together with their ability to at least sleep someone for 15 seconds assuming your team doesn't wake them and your opponent blows purify.

[Kurp]

I tried PvP for the first time last night in random queues and got absolutely smashed. I felt like a baby picking fights with grown men. That was with the 55 set, which seems like absolute shit after that experience.

Some people recommended hitting up the level 30 or 40 games instead to farm up XP/marks. Sounds like a decent idea. I have a question about gear though, should I use the 55 crafted set for that or should I go for a 'twink' like set and get level approriate gear and meld it to become a god. Not sure if that is a thing though in this game. I just want to make the grind a bit more bearable.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Morale should have no effect in 30 or 40 cap. The way level sync works, you are technically best off with VIT-melded i70 (or even i55/49ish stuff) accessories because you'll get the same primary stats as you would with i90 stuff. Beyond that I imagine leftside doesn't matter as long as the item is over the level cap (and thus maxed out).

[Pooke]

Under the resistance tab morale will show as zero in non 50 matches.

[Kurp]

Morale should have no effect in 30 or 40 cap. The way level sync works, you are technically best off with VIT-melded i70 (or even i55/49ish stuff) accessories because you'll get the same primary stats as you would with i90 stuff. Beyond that I imagine leftside doesn't matter as long as the item is over the level cap (and thus maxed out).

Under the resistance tab morale will show as zero in non 50 matches.

Thanks for the info! I wasn't really sure how gear got 'deleveled' or whatever you want to call it. Materia seems to to survive though based on that. I'm just starting to gear a tank and eventually melee, so I was thinking of melding some all purpose i70 accessories. If they're worth it in PvP that makes it all the better really.

[Wulfgang]

Is it worth spending the time to aggregate a level appropriate set? Someone in the PVP section of the OF was saying you should ditch your X Primal / Zenith weapon in 40 queue for something like this:

http://xivdb.com/?item/1933/Aetheria...lt-Cavalry-Bow

I'm just wondering if A) that is true, and B) if it's a worthwhile time investment (I think they come from LV 40 leves?). There's some other aetherial i40 stuff that may also be worthwhile if this is the case like:

http://xivdb.com/?item/3173/Aetherial-Ranger%27s-Tunic

[Raldo]

Note: The following is all conjecture.

When you are level capped, it takes the stats on each piece of gear and lowers them to the stat caps for the level you're capping to. These stat caps are the materia stat caps for gear of that iLevel. This means that if you're wearing all your endgame gear, you gear will be capped to (for the sake of this example) iLevel 40. You may have already spotted where this is going.

If you find yourself a piece of gear that you can equip at level 40, but whose iLevel is actually higher than 40, that piece of gear will outperform all your bad-ass gear. So yes, that Aetherial Cobalt Cavalry Bow is the best damn bow you can use as a Bard in lv40 cap stuff. Bows capped to iLv40 will be performing with a DMG of 24. Your Aetherial Cobalt Cavalry Bow has a DMG of 27.

Honestly, I wouldn't spend your time doing anything beyond weapons, but if you want to put in the time to twink out, then yeah the stuff that's equippable at lv40 (or lower) whose iLv is iLv41+ might outperform any level capped gear (I say might because it's all dependent on stat caps, and if the caps don't change in the 1~3 iLvs you're gaining, then there's no difference). There is, however, one exception. Aetherial accessories don't come with VIT (or for tanks, don't come with STR). For this reason, you're far better off using level-capped accessories melded with VIT (or STR), since that should outperform whatever minuscule bonuses you might get from some twink accessories.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Well I assumed it was more because pink gear has 3 secondary stats, as opposed to blue/purple stuff having 2 and them being very very capped for 40/30.

[Wulfgang]

Thanks Raldo; can anyone confirm the Aetherial stuff does drop from 40 battlecraft leves? If so, it's not too bad. If it's Stone Vigil only, then forget that.

[Argantes]

SoI decided to get a Break Blade and went in to 50 queue as Gladi.
Holy crap that is so good.

Ok, it's limited to short 10/20 second burst, but the ability to equip and use stuff like FoF, Ragin Strikes, Internal release, B4B (When I stop being lazy) on top of having all the defensive cooldowns to cancel out the damage increase on B4B etc is pretty insane.

Sure, I don't have Spirits or sword oath, but the burst with my absolute crap pvp gear (crafted i55 with crit melds mostly, I90 striking/maiming accesssories, break blade and a i70 pvp shield) is already quite noticable.
Popping a mantra etc helps some too.
You kinda become a jack of all trades. It's quite fun.

The only downside so far is people bitching about me being in the 50 queue instead of 30/40 but I just tell them not to queue with one or two people if they don't wanna be stuck with random people.
I just don't see the fun in having to queue lower level/easier stuff just to get gear.

But yeah, the additional abilities you can use as Gladi so far seem to justify losing Spirits, Sword Oath and Cover.


Edit: oh yeah, I do also lose like 400HP for not being PLD, but meh. it's still a lot more fun.

[Yugl]

SoI decided to get a Break Blade and went in to 50 queue as Gladi.
Holy crap that is so good.

Ok, it's limited to short 10/20 second burst, but the ability to equip and use stuff like FoF, Ragin Strikes, Internal release, B4B (When I stop being lazy) on top of having all the defensive cooldowns to cancel out the damage increase on B4B etc is pretty insane.

Sure, I don't have Spirits or sword oath, but the burst with my absolute crap pvp gear (crafted i55 with crit melds mostly, I90 striking/maiming accesssories, break blade and a i70 pvp shield) is already quite noticable.
Popping a mantra etc helps some too.
You kinda become a jack of all trades. It's quite fun.

The only downside so far is people bitching about me being in the 50 queue instead of 30/40 but I just tell them not to queue with one or two people if they don't wanna be stuck with random people.
I just don't see the fun in having to queue lower level/easier stuff just to get gear.

But yeah, the additional abilities you can use as Gladi so far seem to justify losing Spirits, Sword Oath and Cover.


Edit: oh yeah, I do also lose like 400HP for not being PLD, but meh. it's still a lot more fun.

Solo queue is the most expedient form of XP assuming you manage even minimal success rate.

As for gear, your attitude is really no different than the sentiment expressed within this guide. Telling people they have to sacrifice optimal XP to avoid severely gimp members (We're talking DF Garuda EX as AF DRG tier) is pretty piss poor policy and ruins the experience for others. And then people bitch when that advice is actually taken and they form three man premades lol.

[Pooke]

I hit rank 30 before 2.15, but I assume the experience essentially doubled while going solo? Having done some solo when my trio isn't on, I would still suggest going with a trio. Instant queues and knowing you're going with some competent skill and gear outweighs the solo boost in my opinion. Nothing is more rage inducing than seeing two AF DPS pop up, and you have to carry them through. Grinding out my last piece (accessory) for my third R30-i90 job still as a trio (wish 4's were a thing) so take that for what its worth I guess.

[Kipling]

Yes, it's double for solo now.