FFXIV PVP Discussion Thread: HAHAH SLEEP!

[Jem]

Anyone had a glitch where you win except it the game says lolno? Just had one where we should have won as we had 1597/1600 with 3 bases. Second had 1511/1600 with 1 base. Ticks over, says Maelstrom win and us second. No Node/Drone up at the time. What the hell?

[Neon_Sea]

Thinking about bringing my Monk when I am in a full castr party, any help on what I should be doing and skill usage? don't want to go in completely blind if I can help it. Another thing, when you secure a op like temple when is the proper time to push or aid? I'm finding a lot of groups get a post then one or two people wander off and some stay but I have no good advice at the time to do otherwise. Pretty shit day for the maelstrom, feels like Immortal Flames were on the up and up.

[Tomino]

Not sure I get how Frontline gearing should be done....

I mean, every tier of PvP gear has morale on it, but Frontline ignores morale - so why should I pick a pvp piece over a pve one of the same item level?
It seems to me I can gear faster for Frontline by running pve dungeons and collect dungeon gear + token gear.

Also, since Relic weapons (and Zenith, Atma, etc) are job-only, isn't that kinda pushing players to stay on their jobs, and not classes?

[Tobi]

Just use PvE gear that has good secondary stats for whatever class you play. Don't really need lots of acc in frontlines or anything. As WHM , pie is my main secondary to go to in PvP, and I run all tank accs on right side for the extra HP, as it makes huge difference, since I can actually eat a melee LB and survive, I can't do that without the extra HP buff. I don't normally go DPS in FL now, but if I do, it's usually smn, and I mainly just focus on crit, brd is both det/crit, I don't go as any other dps except blm on the occassion. In terms of damage, I can only hit 100k+ as SMN, I've yet to hit that with BRD/BLM, but I've become close with brd at 98k, with 123k being my highest on smn.

Most people just go as their job in lv50, the only thing I wouldn't go as a job is WAR, WAR is shit compared to marauder, and MRD can easily rack up high damage too, 80k+ range. I'd imagine GLA may be more effective than PLD too, but not sure. The only good thing about WAR I can think of atm is Holmgang, besides that MRD is far superior.

Also, can limit break possibly miss actual players or no? I know for sure they can be parried though as I've had it happen to me few times, even the mage LB can be parried.

[BerenTebogo]

I've topped 80k damage on WAR a couple times. I find WAR to be superior to MRD in frontlines and i played only MRD in PvP. Ability to resist being bursted down with CDs and stuff on WAR is big because once you're at 6-7 kills people start to focus you.

[Tobi]

Wish I could find more WARs like that, everytime I see a war they either have very low dmg(10-20k), or they use defiance and don't even hit 10k dmg at best.

[Tomino]

I find WAR to be superior to MRD in frontlines and i played only MRD in PvP.

Not sure I get your point.
I mean, MRD loses Defiance, which is HP, Enmity and healing recieved, plus the related damaging skills (Inner Beast, Infuriate, Steel Cyclone) but retains all of WAR defensive cooldowns - plus a few others.
I can see Inner Beast being great for self-healing, but lowering damage dealth by 25% sounds like a pretty big deal.

Now, I'm sure I'm missing something here, just not sure what. People tend to have pretty drastic opinions when it comes to WAR over MRD, and that's confusing.

[BerenTebogo]

I don't ride defiance. I pop it and Infuriate -> IB for quick healing then drop it if need be when I'm being gangbanged. I can still spike people down will full swing as fast as I can on MRD (one extra GCD) and MRD is lacking the STR from stone in all the times the CDs are down.

PvP matches are generally short and decided in the first 30s by bursting the healer, MRD is superior for this. I find the longer drawn out fights of FL + chasing and shit to be superior on WAR.

[Hiryo]

I don't ride defiance. I pop it and Infuriate -> IB for quick healing then drop it if need be when I'm being gangbanged. I can still spike people down will full swing as fast as I can on MRD (one extra GCD) and MRD is lacking the STR from stone in all the times the CDs are down.

PvP matches are generally short and decided in the first 30s by bursting the healer, MRD is superior for this. I find the longer drawn out fights of FL + chasing and shit to be superior on WAR.

What do your right side accessories look like? With item level sync I feel like Topaz (even with suboptimal melds) would be superior to anything available in frontlines. I haven't stepped foot in pvp so please correct me if I'm wrong.

[BerenTebogo]

I'm incredibly lazy, I just use my Gloam accs.

[Tobi]

Melds do nothing in frontlines, and it's item level sync to 80

[Hiryo]

Okay, I wasn't sure if the melds are active or not. I guess +13 str +13 vit on every accessory is a little extreme.

[miokomioko]

feel free to stack on those fending accessories on your healers though

[Niiro]

I don't ride defiance. I pop it and Infuriate -> IB for quick healing then drop it if need be when I'm being gangbanged. I can still spike people down will full swing as fast as I can on MRD (one extra GCD) and MRD is lacking the STR from stone in all the times the CDs are down.

PvP matches are generally short and decided in the first 30s by bursting the healer, MRD is superior for this. I find the longer drawn out fights of FL + chasing and shit to be superior on WAR.

I think you underestimate the other benefits to MRD.

-E4E, extremely useful if your mages are in short supply/stupid/lazy, I drop this on a healer at the start of every skirmish.
-Ability to Stoneskin yourself if you're off on your own or the mages aren't bothering to do it themselves (swiftcast+stoneskin during combat can be handy as well, but not a huge deal)
-Invigorate, extremely useful, having 2 forms of TP restoration is a huge deal as it means 2 opportunities to Sprint, Enliven's recast is only 3 mins even with the enhancement while Invig is 2

And ofc having Raging Strikes/B4B to alternate with Berserk for burning down targets, odds are there's more than 1 healer to kill and Berserk only lasts so long.

[Raldo]

Melds do nothing in frontlines, and it's item level sync to 80

To add to this, melds do nothing in frontlines even if your gear is iLv80 or below, which really irritates me. I wanted to use my VIT-melded i70 stuff. I tried throwing them on and my HP didn't go up. I was so sad.

Speaking of E4E, does anyone know if that procs on mages? The description just says 'when the barrier is struck' but for some reason I only expected physical attacks to trigger it.

[Kaixin]

Don't be knocking my acc/parry/skillspeed FL build aka the "I don't have enough space in my armory chest so I just wear pve gear" special.

I am annoyed that the mid PvE mobs are worth so much, people don't really fight over them, they just race to burst them down.

[Niiro]

Speaking of E4E, does anyone know if that procs on mages? The description just says 'when the barrier is struck' but for some reason I only expected physical attacks to trigger it.

Only procs on physical, why stuff like ADS nodes/Ultima/Ramuh will never proc it.

Don't be knocking my acc/parry/skillspeed FL build aka the "I don't have enough space in my armory chest so I just wear pve gear" special.

I actually consider skill speed extremely valuable in PvP, unlike PvE your target is always 1 heal away from surviving, getting that killing blow WS out asap can be extremely crucial (especially for MRD/WAR who have no off-GCD damage skills aside from Mercy).

DET may give you more damage in the long run but that's exactly what PvP isn't about, it's all about speed and burst, unless that DET saves you an entire WS worth of damage (it won't) you're better off getting your next WS off sooner.

[Raldo]

^ Seconding skill speed / spell speed. I assume player damage has to be blunted to some extent (otherwise people would die way faster -- or is it simply that we're i80 capped?), but they can't blunt the effects of skill speed. Add onto that the fact that nobody runs out of TP, and there's no harm in using ss.

[Kaixin]

I agree with your points in a theoretical sense but the +30 or so skill speed on my slapdash gear set is doing me about as much good as the 140 points of parry.

Although, now that I look into it a bit more, some of the CT2 tank gear is pretty good (low acc/parry values).

Then again, no armory chest space/laziness

[Rehn]

Don't think I saw it while scanning past few pages. How effective are those potions/food that gives debuff resistance?