FFXIV PVP Discussion Thread: HAHAH SLEEP!

[blowfin]

Hitting 4 people chasing you in the face with Blast Shot and watching as they plummet off the edge to their death is pretty amazing.

People are becoming acutely aware of the risks of leaving the middle platform after the mobs have been cleared. Nobody wants to go close to the steps with me loitering at maximum range ready to blast people off the edge, you can end up with some pretty amusing standoffs.

[Kaisha]

I got tired of randoms going yolo and ignoring marked targets, or running to the top solo when we're not B.

Ended up changing my GC so I could run with the FC. Been a hell lot better with voip communication, and 3 VIT'd up unstoppable healers.......unless you wasted an LB2 on us.

4/5 times the team with the node kill wins. The 1/5 is when they get it by having 24/24 people up there the entire game to do it.

Or the 0.5/5 where groups A and C are completely incompetent and can't hold their own points, making your control of middle as a single party moot.


Pet peeve: Aura Blast being unreliable because SE can't into instant skills being instant. That one second between it going off and the knockback being applied is enough to make someone go up/down the middle tower ramp, rather than flying off to their death. And it happens more often than I'd like, unlike BRD Blast Shot shenanigans.


Never bothered with Wolves Den outside of its release since I didn't like the 4v4 setup, but Frontlines' team sizes and free-form job composition make it dynamic enough that the stun/sleep spam isn't as aggravating.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Pet peeve: Aura Blast being unreliable because SE can't into instant skills being instant. That one second between it going off and the knockback being applied is enough to make someone go up/down the middle tower ramp, rather than flying off to their death. And it happens more often than I'd like, unlike BRD Blast Shot shenanigans.

Happens a lot with the war knockback and Fluid Aura as well. I haven't tried Bard so I don't know if Blast Shot is any better due to range. The one upside to this delay as SCH is being able to combine Blizz2 with it for makeshift AoE Fluid Aura. For when you absolutely need all these dudes off your base.

Suddenly the idea of 8 scholars camping on top of a base sounds very appealing.

[solracht]

My team has been able to take over bases against twice our numbers just because of trolling DDs off cliffs, shit will never get old. It will be a lot less fun when people get good at PVP but for now I'm having a blast as a SCH.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Or the 0.5/5 where groups A and C are completely incompetent and can't hold their own points, making your control of middle as a single party moot.

First of all, all things being equal, you should only depend on A and C holding their points about 50% of the time, because the other team's are counting on their A and C to do the same. You shouldn't ever make strategies that rely on the randoms winning disproportionately often to the other teams group of randoms.

Second of all, if they're really having that much trouble, you should be helping them. Yes, you can sit mid and "control" it for when drones/nodes spawn, or you can actually pay attention to the timers, stop wasting time fighting mid when there's nothing to contest, and help your team take points. It will likely cause the drones to be a little harder to secure since you don't have the opportunity to push everyone out beforehand, but just git gud at sniping bitches.

B is absolutely the easiest team to carry games as, their sheer versatility and the amount of points they can put on the table is just ridiculous. I'm fairly sure I have a ~80% 1st place rate with them, while barely maintaining a 50% as A or C

[Niiro]

Suddenly the idea of 8 scholars camping on top of a base sounds very appealing.

I said before FL was even out that a party of 7 SCHs and a BRD for Foe's would essentially be unkillable.

As long as you coordinate your damage there's nothing stopping you from mowing down enemy parties as well. Drop 6 shadow flares in the heart of the camp (1 SCH should drop Soil), mark an enemy healer, 7 Bios and 7 Aeros go out, follow by a volley of Ruin II/Energy Drain, if there's another healer, repeat.

Between 7 fairies healing and rotating Dawn and 7 SCHs ready to Lustrate nothing short of an extremely competent and coordinated team should be able to kill anyone. If they decide to try and focus one of you down just have that person pop Attunement, the other SCHs roll in on the packed group and let off Aetheric Burst/Miasma II.

[solracht]

They really need to either make Morale a third stat on gear (instead of second) or convert Morale to Det/Crit while inside Frontlines. There's no reason why the PVP gear that was advertised along with Frontlines isn't equal to all the PVE gear.

At least there'll be glamours eventually I guess.

[solracht]

Now that the honeymoon period is over some stuff is really pissing me the fuck off. Matches should never start when a group is missing an entire party and the DF should fill up while we're still in the lobby. What's the point of the goddamn lobby anyway if it's not used to fill up the teams? It doesn't take me two minutes to buff up.

In my last match the big node was dead before our party C was half filled. Why is queueing in progress up to the player again? Frontlines is borderline unplayable unless the teams are full.

Flames still manage to end up last no matter what so it's not awful points, but it's still very annoying.

[Kaixin]

MAELSTROM QUEUES ARE FOREVER AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Neon_Sea]

Maelstrom, we just outchere WAITING

[Eldelphia]

I've gotten a lot of matches in today as Maelstrom. Quite a few were 16 man

[Seravi Edalborez]

Now that the honeymoon period is over some stuff is really pissing me the fuck off. Matches should never start when a group is missing an entire party and the DF should fill up while we're still in the lobby. What's the point of the goddamn lobby anyway if it's not used to fill up the teams? It doesn't take me two minutes to buff up.

Made a topic on OF about this, hoping for a dev response.

[Rocl]

MAELSTROM QUEUES ARE FOREVER AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maelstrom win rate is ridiculous though. So your tears do nothing for me.

[Korialstrasz]

They really need to either make Morale a third stat on gear (instead of second) or convert Morale to Det/Crit while inside Frontlines. There's no reason why the PVP gear that was advertised along with Frontlines isn't equal to all the PVE gear.

At least there'll be glamours eventually I guess.

From what I understand from the info they initially gave us, is that there will be additional brackets added later on. Due to the way pvp was originally released, you either have total noobs with no gear whatsoever, or rank 40s in full i100 sets. To level the playing field we're stuck with this single i80 bracket for now, but they should open another later once people start getting geared and able to fight i100s without getting completely steamrolled.

[Seravi Edalborez]

They did also add a Wolves Den i80 sync (if you already had wolves den I think you have to go down to the pier to get it), though I don't know if that also ignore morale and materia. It's a good indicator though that yeah, we will probably have other FL level brackets.

[solracht]

From what I understand from the info they initially gave us, is that there will be additional brackets added later on. Due to the way pvp was originally released, you either have total noobs with no gear whatsoever, or rank 40s in full i100 sets. To level the playing field we're stuck with this single i80 bracket for now, but they should open another later once people start getting geared and able to fight i100s without getting completely steamrolled.

Yes, I understand why it was done and the idea is good, but the execution is terrible. The fact that everyone is equal is the main reason I'm enjoying frontlines so much. However, making PVP gear outright unusable is retarded.

Right now PVP gear is objectively worse than any other gear due to the wasted stat slot (morale). All I'm asking for is for PVP gear to be equal to other options, but not better. I don't want morale to have an effect in Frontlines, I just don't want PVP gear to only have one secondary stat.

EDIT: for the love of god I hope they don't make more brackets for Frontlines. The queues are bad enough (10-20m) and it's only week two.

[Neon_Sea]

Yeah the que's are hurting now, but can you blame people? If you care at all about progression you should be hunting 24/7. I have a friend who got like 15 mil/10 sands/vanity/alex..etc It's crazy how all encompassing it really is.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Add allied seals to FL, watch queues explode.

[Neon_Sea]

ugggg that would be awesome!

[Niiro]

Seriously, at least in PvP there's a challenge, you have to actually do something other than tag a mob and spam flash.