Garuda Extreme Mode

[Seravi Edalborez]

Garuda can WW as long as any sister is up. Suparna first doesn't totally nullify the tank damage issue; her Downburst hits about as hard as WW. It's just more staggered big damage instead of taking 2 huge hits simultaneously.

[Ratatapa]

Garuda can WW as long as any sister is up. Suparna first doesn't totally nullify the tank damage issue; her Downburst hits about as hard as WW. It's just more staggered big damage instead of taking 2 huge hits simultaneously.

1 WW shouldnt kill a DD

[Mabubeezareel]

Also, unless I'm mistaken, killing Chirada first means your melees don't have to shit their pants and run away for every wicked wheel (at least, while killing Chirada).

1 WW shouldnt kill a DD

Exactly! This is why I always recommend to kill Suparna first, because as a DRG, it makes that phase of the fight so much easier on me and the fight that much quicker overall if I don't have to worry about 2x WW. Why other people don't get this, I do not understand.

[Dammerung]

That's why OT will pull off the 2nd sister (Suparna) and swap Spiny with the MT at that time.

I'm not really advocating for either kill order on the sisters, but getting hit by shit as melee is independent from kill order if tanks aren't dumb and know to split the 2nd sister off of Garuda to accommodate melee.

[Ratatapa]

That's why OT will pull off the 2nd sister (Suparna) and swap Spiny with the MT at that time.

I'm not really advocating for either kill order on the sisters, but getting hit by shit as melee is independent from kill order if tanks aren't dumb and know to split the 2nd sister off of Garuda to accommodate melee.

Not everyone has the chance to have good tanks

Also killing suprana first gives another big advantage, removing the stoneskin so it makes the ability to kill Garuda "sooner" instead of having to kill chirada then suparna to be able to damage Garuda


Both way works, just depend on each groups

[Lokus]

Also killing suprana first gives another big advantage, removing the stoneskin so it makes the ability to kill Garuda "sooner" instead of having to kill chirada then suparna to be able to damage Garuda

That's one of the main reasons to kill Suprana first. The fight goes ever so slightly faster.

[Jem]

Have to say killing Suparna first today has converted me. Before we used to kill Chirada first, started doing Suparna first today and it cut out an entire loop.

[Binkie]

Doesn't suparna lose WW if you kill chirada?

[Seravi Edalborez]

Suparna always has WW, Chirada always has super-Downburst. Garuda has WW if either is alive. Killing Chirada disables Suparna's HoT, killing Suparna disables Garuda's stoneskin. Chirada @50%: Garuda and Suparna teleport + hateswap if both are alive.

[Niiro]

One thing I don't really get about killing Suparna first is you're going to kill Chirada next, so what does removing Garuda's SS sooner matter?

You're gonna kill both sisters before you start focusing on Garuda again, Chirada dies faster than Suparna and killing Chirada makes Suparna die faster.

The only reason I can think of for killing Suparna first is if you have a melee that will stay with Suparna/Garuda and immediately start damaging Garuda once Suparna's down while the ranged take care of Chirada.

[Kirbyprime]

Mostly for summoners, though dps happy sch would like it as well.

[Jem]

One thing I don't really get about killing Suparna first is you're going to kill Chirada next, so what does removing Garuda's SS sooner matter?

You're gonna kill both sisters before you start focusing on Garuda again, Chirada dies faster than Suparna and killing Chirada makes Suparna die faster.

The only reason I can think of for killing Suparna first is if you have a melee that will stay with Suparna/Garuda and immediately start damaging Garuda once Suparna's down while the ranged take care of Chirada.

DoT's plus the tank is going to do damage too. Ok so it won't be a lot but it adds up (Last parse I did 60k and our 4 DD's were in the 90-115k range)

How does Chirada die faster than Suparna? They die at roughly same speed from what I've seen, if there's any difference it's minimal. Whenever I've done it, whether we do Chirada or Suparna first, the 1st sister dies like 3-5 seconds after Wicked Wheel. If anything, whichever sister you kill second should die fastest as they no longer have the vulnerability stack (mileage may vary if all DD's blow lall their CD's on the 1st sister)

[Seravi Edalborez]

Potency/GCD-wise it's way more efficient for SMN/SCH/BRD to put up more DoTs so having Garuda's SS down is nice, but obviously if you lack any of these the merits of killing Sup first are less attractive. Also for fringe cases where you entered the phase with Garuda at like 5%, you can just burn her ass down.

[Indomitable Will]

So this happened last night, and I wasn't sure if anyone else has had dps focus on this specifically, but we had solo heal, 4 blm's and a brd, 1 blm is able to kill all of the razor plumes (in phases after stones are gone) solo with double flare and having everyone stack on garuda's ass...knocked off an entire rotation of sisters doing this.

[lilbubbles]

Faster to let whm deal with plumes

[Niiro]

DoT's plus the tank is going to do damage too. Ok so it won't be a lot but it adds up (Last parse I did 60k and our 4 DD's were in the 90-115k range)

How does Chirada die faster than Suparna? They die at roughly same speed from what I've seen, if there's any difference it's minimal. Whenever I've done it, whether we do Chirada or Suparna first, the 1st sister dies like 3-5 seconds after Wicked Wheel. If anything, whichever sister you kill second should die fastest as they no longer have the vulnerability stack (mileage may vary if all DD's blow lall their CD's on the 1st sister)

Tank damage shouldn't be lost since if the party is killing Chirada first the tank should be damaging Suparna, so their damage shouldn't be wasted at any point.

As for which dies faster, I've always noticed Chirada go down noticeably faster than Suparna, I couldn't tell you why really but Suparna always dies slower (if you parsed the fight you could see if they had different HP values).

I suppose it's possible that when sisters spawn DDs start blowing their CDs to get them down asap and Chirada tends to take the brunt of it, and therefore appear to die faster.

[Indomitable Will]

Faster to let whm deal with plumes

solo heal was sch, and is generally easier with sch than whm, but even then Holy+Flares is instant kill ifthe plumes are stacked.

[Indomitable Will]

Tank damage shouldn't be lost since if the party is killing Chirada first the tank should be damage Suparna, so their damage shouldn't be wasted at any point.

As for which dies faster, I've always noticed Chirada go down noticeably faster than Suparna, I couldn't tell you why really but Suparna always dies slower (if you parsed the fight you could see if they had different HP values).

I suppose it's possible that when sisters spawn DDs start blowing their CDs to get them down asap and Chirada tends to take the brunt of it, and therefore appear to die faster.

I think it's probably cooldowns, also if you have blm's they burn through mp on the 1st sister, then there will be a slight lag on the 2nd sister as they bliz3>thunder2(or not)>fire3>fire,etc.

[Jem]

Ah well we kill the MT's sister first so the entire time they were killing Chirada, I was meleeing Garuda. Our set-up was PLD PLD SCH WHM BRD SMN BLMx2 so we were able to stack quite a lot of DoTs on Garuda. We definitely noticed a significant increase in killspeed. It was cutting out like ~1.5 phases.

[Binkie]

Doesn't suparna lose WW if you kill chirada?

MTed this again yesterday and I'm almost 100% sure that
suparna stops doing WW if chirada is dead.