never count out touchdown tom

[NinjaLotter]

It's more probable than not than you are really jealous of Tom Brady

[Aragon of Odin]

Worthless video since you have no idea how much air was taken out of each football. He basically proved you can touch a needle to 12 balls in 40 seconds.

It's irrelevant anyway since Walt's testimony proves no tampering took place.

Did you even watch the video? At the very beginning he says it takes 2.2 seconds to take out 2 pounds...........

[NinjaLotter]

Did you even watch the video? At the very beginning he says it takes 2.2 seconds to take out 2 pounds...........

Okay. I stand corrected.

Now what? A video of a guy taking air out of footballs for an experiment proves Tom Brady deflates footballs?

Again.

Walt Anderson's testimony has him using the gauge that puts the footballs right where the science says they should have been.

No tampering took place.

If you want to fine the Patriots 25K because the ballboy went into the bathroom, have at it, but you don't levy the harshest punishment in league history over it. That's fucking stupid. It's even stupider considering the Wells Report specifically says it exonerates Belichick and the Patriots organization.

[Serra]

I wish I had the skills to make a trailer for "Rouge Ballboy: The Movie"

Tagline: He's coming to your team to deflate your balls!

[NinjaLotter]

Then, someone from the league (it surely wasn’t someone from the Patriots) leaked to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that 10 of the 12 balls were a full two pounds below the 12.5 PSI minimum. The measurement reveal that this information was false.

The false information leaked to Mortensen gave the story more traction and a higher degree of significance. It also placed the Patriots on the defensive without the Patriots knowing the specific PSI measurements against which they were defending. If true and accurate information had been leaked to the media or given to the Patriots, coach Bill Belichick’s notorious Mona Lisa Vito press conference would have been far more persuasive, because the data from one of the two significantly conflicting gauges used to determine the air pressure generated measurements in line with the expected loss in pressure during 90 minutes in the elements of a January day in Foxboro.

Think of how different the narrative would have been if, in the early days of the scandal, the prevailing information from one of the largest sports-media outlets in America had been not that 10 of the 12 balls were two pounds under the minimum but that all 12 balls (including the one that had been intercepted by Jackson) tested within the range consistent with the application of the Ideal Gas Law.

Also, think of how different the narrative would have been if, in the early days of the scandal, the league had acknowledged that the officials used two different gauges with dramatically different readings generated.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ally-unfolded/

PFT fucking nailing it.

Another media invented controversy for the dumb Murican masses tired of losing to the Patriots.

[Krandor]

PFT fucking nailing it.

Never thought I'd hear those words

[Valisk]

Yeah, he took a piss.

Or did he...

McNally claimed he stopped in the restroom and used a urinal. Indicated he has used that bathroom near the field entrance while in possession of the game balls "many times." That bathroom has no urinal.

McNally was interviewed by NFL Security after AFC Championship Game. During that interview he never mentioned taking balls into bathroom. Initially, he stated he walked directly to field.

NaiveLotter

[Cutriss]

If you want to fine the Patriots 25K because the ballboy went into the bathroom, have at it, but you don't levy the harshest punishment in league history over it. That's fucking stupid. It's even stupider considering the Wells Report specifically says it exonerates Belichick and the Patriots organization.

It's only called "harshest" because of the $1M fine, which is chump change. The Saints had a worse penalty and they didn't even break any rules, so you can have a nice cup of shut the fuck up.

[Krandor]

The fine is a nice big number but it means absolutely nothing in the face of Kraft's net worth

[Sho]

Lmao.

[Ksandra]

As a pats fan, I am fine with the ruling. Cheating incidents should be punishable. I do believe ( maybe naively but w/e) that the ball guy probably deflated the too far than what Brady normally likes, otherwise they would have been caught sooner. I also hope the refs keep an eye out for other teams doing the same as it has been claimed several times to make sure they crack down on it versus making just a display of "oh hey we did something."

[FNH]

Title looks right to me.

[Arvin]

Fuck tom

[NinjaLotter]

As a pats fan, I am fine with the ruling. Cheating incidents should be punishable. I do believe ( maybe naively but w/e) that the ball guy probably deflated the too far than what Brady normally likes, otherwise they would have been caught sooner. I also hope the refs keep an eye out for other teams doing the same as it has been claimed several times to make sure they crack down on it versus making just a display of "oh hey we did something."

So much fail.

[NinjaLotter]

Revisiting `Spygate` in the wake of Framegate

The following is old by internet standards, posted on ESPN forums on 5/2008. It was taken down by the OP or ESPN shortly after, but it's survived because it was believed to be written by Jonathan Kraft, who has a completely different demeanor than his father, and wanted to sue the league over the Patriots receiving the largest NFL fine in history over FramegateDeflateHate.

I'll bold the parts that look more interesting in retrospect, given Roger Goodell's now proven history of sealing documents, than lying about what is in them.

NEInsider Post #1: May 12, 11:41 am Quote | Report Violation Total Posts: 10

We were wrong and made a mistake. We as an organization failed and it will never happen again. Every NFL memo is now processed, analyzed, passed thru legal, and presented to both Bill, Scott., and all the coaches with the potential legal ramifications so EVERYONE knows what not to do.

That said here are the simple facts I know about Spygate and WalkthruGate:

1. We taped defensive signals and offensive formation signals and we still have video of other teams taping us. They are of little value since no team uses the same signals even from game to game, quarter to quarter, and sometimes from series to series. We do it to FORCE the opposition to stay on their toes and change signals hoping they mix up signals and have a bad play that results in a big play for us. There are no offensive signals only formation signals which are useless and they were taped at the same time as offensive signals and WERE possibly even on the Spygate tape. Any claims are baseless on this.

2. As to those that wanted Bill to talk about it after it happened this is what happened. We were forbidden by the NFL and God, aka Goodell, from speaking about this in public to ANYONE. Bill was told to keep his mouth SHUT and to offer no comment before and AFTER the initial resolution by the NFL. If Bill had commented or held a press conference the fine and penalties would have been increased. This indicated to us we were guilty before any investigation and were the example Goodell wanted to show the NFLPA he wasn't biased towards players only. Quite pathetic if you ask me but again we were wrong and put ourselves into this position.

3. We did not want the tapes destroyed. We preferred they be released since they basically proved we did nothing since some of the tapes destroyed were processed tapes that prove there was little value to us other than aggravating the other team . Several showed coaches waving to our videographer, several other with obscene gestures, coaches laughing at us, and some hot cheerleader video for the enjoyment of those given the boring job of processing video that had zero intrinsic value.

4. Based on player involvement and packages sent onto the field we know instantly what the base defense is before we call the offensive signal. Tom then looks at the manner in which the opponent lines up and 75% of the time knows the exact defense being run and after the snap knows what is happening 99% of the time. If a team throws a new wrinkle it is cataloged and legally photgraphed from the Coaches Box and sent automatically down for analysis. Sometimes, think Giants in SB, it takes time to re-tool the offensive scheme for a great defensive game plan. By the end of the Superbowl we had the Giants defense figured out but in a tribute to the Giants DC that defense was a thing of beauty and the most difficult defense to decipher. It is sort of what we did to Rams in 2001 SB. Eventually they figured it out and thankfully for us in 2001 and unfortunately for us in 2007 SB it was too late. That defense will NEVER work against us again.

5. Goodell has serious issues within the NFL ownership. He has not made friends with his inability to keep his mouth shut before issues are resolved within the framework of the NFL structure. The Niners organization is livid at him for the sanction they received over free agent contact since they never initiated the contact and in this case everyone really does it.

6. The Kraft family was a Goodell supporter and will never openly criticize him but they are livid over the way Spygate was handled and the fact Goodell hung them out as "Cheaters" when he absolutely knew it never helped during a game and then on national TV acknowledged frivolous accusations like phone tampering etc. when he stated more punishment would be added if necessary instead of doing the right thing and stating such claims were baseless without proof since he knew we could never tamper with phones since we never knew what system or what frequency was available to us until game time. A little clue on this one. Not having Robert and Jonathon Kraft on your side makes job security an issue since they are the deal makers and the ownership most willing to compromise to help the smaller market teams. In other words they have lots of friends in the NFL ownership circle.

7. I just learned about this fiasco. We knew early on about Mr Walsh. Goodell should have headed this off but for whatever reason did not. Goodell let it come to what it is today since we were forbidden to talk about it again. We were assured by Goodell nothing would come of it since there was nothing he could have that could harm us. From day one Goodell knew there was no available power to video anything during a walk thru and that we had NO battery packs when there to setup our cameras. The fiasco at the Superbowl is Goodell's fault and it did not cost us the win. The Giant defense won the game but it certainly made the experience at this Superbowl unpleasant. This was another strike with the kraft family in particular.

8. I now believe John Tomase was set up by either Spector, Comcast, or Walsh's lawyer or a combination thereof with that story and I actually think they were the source. In retrospect he probably should have known better since his sources had agendas but Tomase was always one of the most pleasant reporters around the team. It is sad but he could lose his position over this because certain unscrupulous politicians, lawyers, and companies had an agenda designed to embarrass the NFL and used him as a dupe. For Tamase's sake I hope he recorded those conversations and realizes his ultimate responsibility is to release those conversations, if he has them, let the truth come out, and possibly save his butt. At worst he should reveal who they were and let the chips fall where they should.

All sounds very similar, only during Crygate there wasn't a federal judge to make transcripts public and the investigation transparent. Instead Goodell made a bunch of shit up, made the Patriots look as guilty as possible, allowed false leaks, and allegedly told Belichick and Kraft that if they talked about it, there would be more penalties. That would explain New England rolling over for the Crygate allegations without defending themselves.

[NynJa]

[NinjaLotter]

I agree. The tears of the jealous haters taste so good now that their entire world of Patriot conspiracies/radio signals/cheating is falling apart.

[Ratatapa]

This is much better then all of brady stuff

[FNH]

3 months later and still best title change of the year.

[NinjaLotter]

This is much better then all of brady stuff

This is so good.