WAR useless as a main?

[Ripebear]

I started out the game as a WAR obviously not knowing what end game content was like. I know they can do everything with the gear but players always want the easy option IE PLD.

Now, I've almost got 900 myth. I'm geared enough with my 80 relic to speed run.

If I'm wanting to play this relatively seriously should I just gear WAR as an OT and level a DPS? Was thinking DRG. WOuld have liked to main WAR but seems players don't like moving from the norm. I also understand that the weapon you can get from end of EX primals is actually superior to relic +1.

[TheDirtyHobo]

A) There are plenty of threads that would be better suited to asking and discussing this question

B) WAR takes more fussing over but is perfectly capable to main tank anything, and I would say may even better at it than PLD at extremely high-end gear levels (and player skill).

[Shenrien]

WAR can main tank just fine, their enmity generating is fine currently and they finally got some mitigation, we have 2 WAR mains in my FC that tank everything just fine, their HP may take a sharp dips but they have the pools to take that hit just fine, and yeah Dual Haken is a much better weapon than Bravura, and will hold you over just fine until you get your hands on Allagan.

[Tiernin]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/117...e-lol-Marauder)

This should help

[Therin]

These days you really want both a PLD and a WAR in the same group, and when that happens the WAR is always put on OT because he has more DPS potential and ability to keep up Storm's Path, whereas a PLD as OT doesn't really offer any utility over it as a MT (very slight DPS increase, not nearly as much as when the WAR is concentrating on DPS as OT).

[OWS_Tonx]

If you're just starting the game out as WAR I can see how it would be more difficult than someone who has multiple jobs at 50. In my FC I keep my WAR at my @2 lot and BLM at first but only because there's like a 2week wait period if I were to switch. and yeah, WAR is generally the offtank in content but with most new fights using this damage stack switch tanks mechanic you'll be doing just as much tanking as your pld

[Hiroishime]

WAR is alot of things, useless isn't one of them. My group uses WAR to maintank everything including Twintania.

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[Therin]

How do you set the UI/HUD to remove all of the hotbar slots that don't have things assigned to them? I like that.

(I am PC noob.)

[Seravi Edalborez]

How do you set the UI/HUD to remove all of the hotbar slots that don't have things assigned to them? I like that.

(I am PC noob.)

Charconfig > hotbar settings > check "Hide unassinged slots"
I'd also uncheck the other 3 things below it cause it looks better.

[Ripebear]

Fair enough. I guess if I want to play WAR I need to get into an FC that's semi-serious. I played WoW and FFXI hardcore so shouldn't really be a problem.

Would you guys recommend to just leave Bravura +1 for now and go for the legs and 80 feet combo from CT?

And I guess the question was more down to the playerbase wanting only PLD rather than WAR been useless when a solid group knows what it's doing with the class.

[Carth]

These days you really want both a PLD and a WAR in the same group, and when that happens the WAR is always put on OT because he has more DPS potential and ability to keep up Storm's Path, whereas a PLD as OT doesn't really offer any utility over it as a MT (very slight DPS increase, not nearly as much as when the WAR is concentrating on DPS as OT).

I wouldn't put this over WAR's utility, but an OT PLD can spam stoneskin on the party members, particularly the MT to mitigate damage overtime. It ultimately doesn't beat out WAR's debuffs and burst DPS potential, but it's something.

I'm surprised anyone is (still) thinking WAR is useless though.

[TheDirtyHobo]

The thing with WAR is their gear scales a lot harder, in my opinion. An undergeared PLD can still do just fine because of all the ridiculous mitigation techniques they have. An undergeared WAR will struggle and flail around and die a lot. An overgeared PLD wil basically do the same thing as an undergeared PLD, just with more HP buffer to play with. An overgeared WAR will absolutely crush shit.

Considering most groups of randoms your WAR will likely be undergeared or incompetent, I can understand the general opinion of them being on the low side.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Consider too that the general perception of Warrior's has not caught up to how end gamers utilize them. This was a 1-tank game for the first 3 months of its life. That kind of meta has an impact on how well a job will be received, even after it gets a significant boost. History is very important. There's a learning curve associated with that within the populace and also gearing issues here and there (let's face it, some PLDs turned into WAR after the update but they didn't have myth invested in it, myself included). It will still be some time before WAR is accepted, or rather, understood. CT is helping that along in some ways via flat exposure, but it isn't helping healers learn how different it can be to heal a WAR. When that part is understood, WAR will finally move into a safer place in the minds of many. You still see presumed things like "PLD is MT, WAR is OT" in DF/PF groups. It's gonna take some time.

[Ripebear]

Here is my situation, some input would be appreciated!!

Main: Bravura NQ (80)
Head: Crown of Light (80 CT)
Body: Class Quest body (55) (I have been SPAMMING CT for the body but isnt dropping, got currency to get body/head 70 but still hoping for body drop)
Hands: Darklight
Waist: Darklight
Legs/feet: Darklight
Belt: Darklight
Earring: Darklight
Bracelet: Darklight
Ring1: Darklight
Ring2: Ultima's ring

Struggling on how to proceed. I assume my best way from what you guys have discussed would be to get the Darklight head/body, get the CT ilvl 80 boots, and 90 legs? Leaving Bravura 80 for the time being.

Or, get the 80 CT Body/possibly T1 body preferably and upgrade Bravura to +1? Assuming I'm wanting to keep WAR main for now and not leveling an alt class for a while.

Thanks!

[gaogaostegosaurus]

Here is my situation, some input would be appreciated!!

Main: Bravura NQ (80)
Head: Crown of Light (80 CT)
Body: Class Quest body (55) (I have been SPAMMING CT for the body but isnt dropping, got currency to get body/head 70 but still hoping for body drop)
Hands: Darklight
Waist: Darklight
Legs/feet: Darklight
Belt: Darklight
Earring: Darklight
Bracelet: Darklight
Ring1: Darklight
Ring2: Ultima's ring

Struggling on how to proceed. I assume my best way from what you guys have discussed would be to get the Darklight head/body, get the CT ilvl 80 boots, and 90 legs? Leaving Bravura 80 for the time being.

Or, get the 80 CT Body/possibly T1 body preferably and upgrade Bravura to +1? Assuming I'm wanting to keep WAR main for now and not leveling an alt class for a while.

Thanks!

If you don't have access to Dual Haken, which I will assume is the case, I think one of the biggest problems while gearing up is increasing your ilevel without losing a decent accuracy level for Coil because of how Bravura has 0 accuracy and Darklight legs has one billion. If you don't have anything better anyway, using Hoplite body/head or keeping Legs around is one of the easier ways to keep accuracy at a decent level. CT gear is really crappy in this regard, as a side note - it's good for filling in gaps you have if you need to raise your ilevel somehow, but chances are good that you're going to fall really low on accuracy if you get too many pieces.

I'm a fan of Zenith relics because killing stuff faster is nice (and glowy), but I think your myth buys after that (or before that, if you don't want to upgrade Bravura just yet) should have accuracy, if only so that you can upgrade out of Darklight without dropping too far. Having acc on the i90 gear you can get is convenient for allowing you to actually use the next drop you get from CT/Coil RNG/whatever.

[Ripebear]

If you don't have access to Dual Haken, which I will assume is the case, I think one of the biggest problems while gearing up is increasing your ilevel without losing a decent accuracy level for Coil because of how Bravura has 0 accuracy and Darklight legs has one billion. If you don't have anything better anyway, using Hoplite body/head or keeping Legs around is one of the easier ways to keep accuracy at a decent level. CT gear is really crappy in this regard, as a side note - it's good for filling in gaps you have if you need to raise your ilevel somehow, but chances are good that you're going to fall really low on accuracy if you get too many pieces.

I'm a fan of Zenith relics because killing stuff faster is nice (and glowy), but I think your myth buys after that (or before that, if you don't want to upgrade Bravura just yet) should have accuracy, if only so that you can upgrade out of Darklight without dropping too far. Having acc on the i90 gear you can get is convenient for allowing you to actually use the next drop you get from CT/Coil RNG/whatever.

Out tanked a better geared PLD who couldnt hold adds on first sphere in T1. By rotating cooldowns, boom!

[TheDirtyHobo]

I'm a fan of Zenith relics because killing stuff faster is nice (and glowy)

I'm very much not a fan of it on tank jobs, but it's SLIGHTLY more of a priority for WAR than it is for PLD. If you're at the point where you're spending myth on your job, I would say you're better served getting myth chest/legs first (and pairing them with CT head/feet). I wouldn't really bother getting CT body and legs since it only takes 2 weeks to build myth for those pieces now; focus on getting the other slots filled with gear that you won't upgrade to myth as soon like hands and belt.

[Ripebear]

I'm very much not a fan of it on tank jobs, but it's SLIGHTLY more of a priority for WAR than it is for PLD. If you're at the point where you're spending myth on your job, I would say you're better served getting myth chest/legs first (and pairing them with CT head/feet). I wouldn't really bother getting CT body and legs since it only takes 2 weeks to build myth for those pieces now; focus on getting the other slots filled with gear that you won't upgrade to myth as soon like hands and belt.

I'm 2 WP's away from 900. Go with Zenith first lads?

[Jem]

I'm very much not a fan of it on tank jobs, but it's SLIGHTLY more of a priority for WAR than it is for PLD. If you're at the point where you're spending myth on your job, I would say you're better served getting myth chest/legs first (and pairing them with CT head/feet). I wouldn't really bother getting CT body and legs since it only takes 2 weeks to build myth for those pieces now; focus on getting the other slots filled with gear that you won't upgrade to myth as soon like hands and belt.

Isn't it a larger upgrade to get CT Body/Legs first and then upgrade the cheaper slots? I mean your options across are

Myth Body/Legs (58 STR, 66 VIT) + CT Head/Feet (30 STR, 34 VIT) + DL Hands (12 STR, 14 VIT) = 100 STR, 114 VIT, 1650 Myth Spent
CT Body/Legs (50 STR, 54 VIT) + Myth Head/Body/Feet (54 STR, 60 VIT) = 104 STR, 114 VIT, 1485 Myth Spent

Second option also has the added advantage of getting each upgrade piece quicker. You could toss CT Hands in the upper column (3 STR, 3 VIT upgrade) since it takes 4 weeks to get the Myth but then you should throw CT waist in the lower grouping too (2 STR, 3 VIT upgrade).

I suppose they're about the same in the longrun but I'd be more about getting the improvements quicker since the improvements help a lot more at lower HP than they do at higher HP.

[TheDirtyHobo]

It'll take 2 weeks per piece to get the myth necessary for body/legs, so 4 weeks total. In that 4 weeks you could get the head/feet/belt/hands from CT, and then you would have your entire left half at i80 or 90.

Just checking on GearCalc, the difference between the two sets is (CT Body set) 1 STR, 5 acc, 21 crit, 23 skill speed VS 3 VIT, 31 det, 9 parry (Myth Body set).