Microcosmic orb

[dasva]

Yeah seriously being 2nd best in slot only beaten by a mythic is worth spending the 200k it costs. You don't need to be a career brd lol. And it's not like everyone has the means or time to really devote to a mythic... I'd rather camp souls and make vw shouts for harp.

[NynJa]

Maybe you should look up what the word "aspirations" means...

hint: it has nothing to do with draining MP

[Kohan]

If they don't want to be a "decked out career brd," then they don't need to have aspirations toward getting something they don't want. To argue otherwise is stupid, because they're aware of its superiority. Considering, repeatedly reminding them that it's better—as if there's something wrong with them not wanting it right now and above all else, and that they should therefore be shamed—is pointless and insulting.

[NynJa]

If they don't want to be a "decked out career brd," then they don't need to have aspirations toward getting something they don't want. To argue otherwise is stupid, because they're aware of its superiority. Considering, repeatedly reminding them that it's better—as if there's something wrong with them not wanting it right now and above all else, and that they should therefore be shamed—is pointless and insulting.

I'm not saying that Legato is bad and useless, because yes, it is the only song duration on weapon that is not a Carn. What I am saying though is if you insist on only having 1-2 jobs, and one of those 2 jobs is bard, and you're more than a 5h/wk player, I dont see why it should not be expected to be the best geared possible with how XI is now.

[dasva]

Because mythic or gtfo is a rather dumb statement to make. Plus when all this conversation started it wasn't under those specific conditions.

[NynJa]

once again, I never said "carn or bust"

Hes right
If you plan to call yourself a decked out career brd, you should have carn aspirations.

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[Kohan]

once again, I never said "carn or bust"

Except you did.

one of those 2 jobs is bard, and you're more than a 5h/wk player, I dont see why it should not be expected to be the best geared possible with how XI is now.

Everyone fully understands what the word "aspiration" means, which is why I pointedly used it in my own response. Discussion about an alternative option to a relic is valid, and should be encouraged, and acting as if anyone playing a job regularly should only have the best that they can have is unnecessary. No one is attempting to spread false knowledge here (e.g., that relic is inferior), so your argument is pointless.

[dasva]

And I already explained why alot of people that play the game would never have any hopes of making a mythic. Sometimes you gotta take a good hard look at reality and say yep that's never gunna happen

[NynJa]

And I already explained why alot of people that play the game would never have any hopes of making a mythic. Sometimes you gotta take a good hard look at reality and say yep that's never gunna happen

I'm sorry, but your average v2 run will net you around 120 per. My old records, at 99 cap pre-adoulin, is actually a 130 average 3boxing mnk thf whm, this factors in my shitty NQ linen drop rate, which was 4/66, or 6%. To give you an idea of how shitty my luck was, ffxidb is reporting 11.5% on all NQ bosses. If you think I'm making shit up, here you go: In arra you're guaranteed 32 singles from the 4 ramparts of 8 triples. Theres also the, I believe, 12 single gears on that floor, as well as doubles from the triples. Presuming those drop at 10% per, thats an extra 4 alex. You're now at 36. Lets presume you'll also get one cotton per run (my records show 66 cottons in 66 runs), worth 12 alex, putting you at 48 alex. A linen purse averages 75 alex, and you're guaranteed one from the HQ boss, putting you at 123. NQ boss has a 10% drop rate, so we'll give it an average value of 7 alex, putting you at 130, which is the average I gave before (mine was lower cause NQ were stingy to me). Dispute these numbers if you want...

Going back to 120 per run, it will take you 250 days to FARM all your alex, without spending any gil, and a full arra run will take you about 60 min at ilvl115, if not less. At an average of 130 per run, this is cut down to 231 days. Judging by your join dates, you've all been around longer than 8 months...

[dasva]

Going back to 120 per run, it will take you 250 days to FARM all your alex, without spending any gil, and a full arra run will take you about 60 min at ilvl115, if not less. At an average of 130 per run, this is cut down to 231 days. Judging by your join dates, you've all been around longer than 8 months...

Except we aren't talking about people who can do a run every day for 8 full months.

I'm not saying that Legato is bad and useless, because yes, it is the only song duration on weapon that is not a Carn. What I am saying though is if you insist on only having 1-2 jobs, and one of those 2 jobs is bard, and you're more than a 5h/wk player, I dont see why it should not be expected to be the best geared possible with how XI is now.

Because just more than 5 could easily be only 3-4 runs a week. So even assuming someone with that kind of play time has tribox capabilities and somehow actually has ilvld gear and actually had the desire to spend all there game time farming that would end up being more like 15-20 months of doing nothing but farming for 1 item not even being able to just enjoy and play the game or keep up with any other gear. Or would you like to take something back like you tried to do with the mythic or gtfo statement? Perhaps change that to a 5h/day?

[NynJa]

Because just more than 5 could easily be only 3-4 runs a week. So even assuming someone with that kind of play time has tribox capabilities and somehow actually has ilvld gear and actually had the desire to spend all there game time farming that would end up being more like 15-20 months of doing nothing but farming for 1 item not even being able to just enjoy and play the game or keep up with any other gear. Or would you like to take something back like you tried to do with the mythic or gtfo statement? Perhaps change that to a 5h/day?

the 5h/wk player was a sarcastic number, because lets be honest, someone who only plays 5h/wk isnt doing AA fights, or getting ANYTHING done.

[dasva]

I suppose saying they should be as best geared as possible was also sarcasm too?

Regardless even by your numbers it is a very signficant manhour investment. More than what alot of people doing AA would do. Certainly more than people doing what this thread is about would do. There is a very good reason such a small part of the population has them. Now if you said something like any brd that wants to being doing all the newist content at the hardest difficulty levels then sure that makes sense. But for most players no they aren't going to build a mythic. Even if they could do a run everyday they aren't going to simply because they don't have time to do that and keep up with the ilvling or just enjoy new content and such. Or ya know actually do the things that that mythic will help your preformance by 1% for

[Sechs]

and you're more than a 5h/wk player

Wait wat? 5hrs of total play each week to get a Mythic in... how much exactely? I'm curious ww

the 5h/wk player was a sarcastic number, because lets be honest, someone who only plays 5h/wk isnt doing AA fights, or getting ANYTHING done.

/raises hand
Doing AAs, Delve, new stuff and everything else.
WHAT NAO?!

Regardless even by your numbers it is a very signficant manhour investment

The Alex farming thing to 231 days (or even 250) is overly optimistic.
He's not taking into consideration the days/weeks you won't be able to farm, the times when you'll fail because of silly errors/distractions, the fact not everybody has or wants to use multiple mules and so on.
Also the time to farm Assault Points, altough with the new rates that wouldn't take much.

Last but not least, are yoou gonna play ~10 months doing salvage ONLY and nothing else? Not many people would survive the boredom or have the patience and will to keep going that long, with so many other interesting games out there begging you to play them.
And what would happen to the rest of your gear if you do absolutely nothing else for 10 months?
And also, once you're done with Alex what about all of the rest you need to farm? The 100 Assaults, the 3 megabosses, the Nyzul Points, the lovely Einherjar points, and so on and so on.
Last but not least the gil to buy 3x Mulcibar's Scoria or farm them yourselves (lovely farming of lovely zeni points and lovely zeni nms, all paths, three times! <3 <3 <3 <3)


I mean, realistically speaking, who wouldn't want a Carnwenhan among players who play BRD? Not even necessarily "career" ones.
But one thing is wanting it, another thing is being realistical about being able to obtain it.
The old american way of "man up! Show some balls! Stop being a pussy!" and whatever else is a bit out of place here, imho.



Also, as someone already said, a lot of bards would probably like to go for lv99 Daurdabla first (money-wise is around the same investment atm) rather than Carnwenhan.

[NynJa]

So in your 5h of playtime a week, you do delve (which is 40 min of delving and 10-40 min of gathering), WKRs which, for the newer 3 would take 1-4 hours (if not more), and you had time for AAs and skirmish?!? Damn, u fit all that in 5 hrs a week.

But 60 min on salvage a day for your career bard is "10 months doing nothing but salvage"


I think you missed the memo about zeni farming as well. And it shouldnt be hard to get a couple friends to kill PW...

[Sechs]

So in your 5h of playtime a week, you do delve (which is 40 min of delving and 10-40 min of gathering), WKRs which, for the newer 3 would take 1-4 hours (if not more), and you had time for AAs and skirmish?!? Damn, u fit all that in 5 hrs a week.

I didn't list Skirmish and WKR, altough that "everything else" was maybe a bit too generic. I used to do WKR until a couple of weeks ago, but pretty randomly. Some weeks I'd do 2 or 3, some other weeks I'd do none. Now I'm capped on everything from them so I stopped.
Skirmish I stopped a long time ago.
I also stopped with Assignments because I capped ranks long time ago, I used to do a few every week.

Atm I just do 1-2 Delve runs a week (it's usually less than 40 mins, if we're doing Tojil it's usually over in under 30 if not even less). It's true sometimes it take eons to gather but most of the times it's pretty quick, like 10 minutes? Even because I always log very late for events So when I'm online usually everything is ready.
What else? Ah yeah, we do AAs, DM and the Zilart fights.
Is there anything else to do? I don't think so.
And yeah I stay online I'd say around 6 hours a week on average. Sometimes less, sometimes more of course.

But 60 min on salvage a day for your career bard is "10 months doing nothing but salvage"

Double standards much? How come Delve takes "40 mins of gathering" but Salvage takes "0 mins" of farming AP, swapping jobs and getting everything ready for your run? (which is up to 100 mins, not 60).
Let's use your number of 120 average per run.
5 runs a week, 5 hours (and I'm being good, realistically it would take definitely more than 5 hours).
It's 600 per week.
It means 50 weeks (almost 1 year) to get 30k Alex.
If I were to do that, it would mean that I wouldn't have time for anythign else.
Anything.
I literally mean that.
Or I could do like 1/3 of that, and take 150 weeks instead of 50. More than 2 and a half year.
After that I would have to farm Nyzul Points, Einherjar Points (lovely to do without mules!!!), ToAU megabosses, the lovely 100x Assaults, ZNMs for Scorias and so on.
With 5 hours a week it would probably take you another year to do all of that.

Is it *possible*? Yes of course it is.
Is it *realistical*? No it's not.
And it wouldn't be *fun* either.
You know, I don't get paid to play this game, it's actually the other way around, I'm the one paying to play, and you want me to do something I wouldn't do even if I were the one to get paid?
Lolnothanks

And it shouldnt be hard to get a couple friends to kill PW...

Fraid it would take more than a couple but yeah, Killing PW wouldn't be an issue, and as a matter of fact I didn't put it in the list because I don't think it would be an obstacle.
Everything else? Yes it would.
And "getting 5x friends" to farm 100k Einhejar Points might be a problem as well, unless they're doing a mythic too

[Kohan]

I did try to stop this by explaining why few people sincerely give a shit about whether someone playing BRD gets something that's second best or not, but this is getting ridiculous now, and entirely off-topic. If anyone wants to keep arguing about how they spend their days in Vana'diel, don't do it here, please.

Let's just remember what Kyte said:

What a stupid fucking thing to say

And let's get on with our lives.

[silentsteel]

funny how this turned from a thread about Micro orb battles to about Brd and REM farming. >.> Back on topic has anyone really done many Micro battles because I'm interested in what the OP is, if there's a good amount of information anywhere.

[ikariiiii]

Ochain PLD can sit and hold the adds for Tails of Woe II and Steamed Sprouts II. Ranged jobs work best on Worms Turn II (or sleepga/II > melee zerg) and Factory Rejects II is where the dolls seem to attack (and spam paralyga/thundaga III) on whoever last performed an action, so groups with MNK set ups seem to do better there. Anything I missed?

[NynJa]

3boxing sprouts/tails is a joke on difficult with Ochain mnk whm.

I tried the same setup for Worms, swap pld to aegis, and it works, but its a LOT more difficult, since you have 1-16 mobs all spamming various stone spells / bind on you, and once you kill boss, you no longer can sleepga them all. Since the worms deaggro quickly, try to keep the adds attention on the pld, if the mnk gets their attention, get out untill they deaggro and reaggro pld. Never did dolls, since there was never any information about it.

As far as getting rich or dying trying, no one does SKC10, so chances are every difficult run will net you atleast 500k (unless you get boned with the shitty rings). The real quick sellers are the Tathlum from worms and Clogs from Dolls. Sprouts has the shaded specs, so you can kill shit in style, and everyone knows style > stats.


GG on Sechs for using the high end of the timeline spectrum for his numbers about alex, then uses the low end of the spectrum for what he does. Number manipulation is cute

[silentsteel]

Rehn, when you did dolls what was your setup? That's probably the one I'm most interested in.