Lets get together and argue with each other aka Draylo is always wrong?

[Shenrien]

Honestly at this point Square should consider a normal difficulty (6 man) a hard mode difficulty (12man) and then heroic difficulty (18man) having different drop rates, and unique drops to the 12 & 18 man for people who take it on. For the future of delve, and any alliance based content.

[LiquidFriend]

Could you be any bigger of a fucking crybaby Draylo? You've taken something that isn't even projecting to be what you think it is and have twisted it around completely and basically attacked anyone who merely disagreed.

[bechyni]

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Surprised Karah had a sock account last this long after the complete bitchfest he threw in RF.

something about having a small LS

You don't recruit, it's mostly just a bunch of your friends/mules that haven't quit the game yet, you don't attempt to make an effort to grow as a LS by doing events with other people with the intent to get them to join your shell. So why would anyone care how many people you currently have in LS?

[shepardG]

Could you be any bigger of a fucking crybaby Draylo? You've taken something that isn't even projecting to be what you think it is and have twisted it around completely and basically attacked anyone who merely disagreed.

THAT'S OUR DRAYLO!

seriously, I stoped responding to draylo a long time ago. His "IF I'M HAVING FUN THEN IT'S ALL YOUR GUYS FAULT THAT YOUR NOT HAVING FUN" attitude has been this way since he started playing this game. I've seen glimmers of social skills throughout the years, but he never seems to be able to grasp ahold of them for longer than a few momments.
It's getting pretty personal attackish in here (as most arguments concerning draylo do,.... you'd think he'd figure this out... if everyone else gets along, but nobody get's along with you, then..... well.... it's probably you. /shrug) so i'll be on my merry way lol.

[Xantavia]

Honestly at this point Square should consider a normal difficulty (6 man) a hard mode difficulty (12man) and then heroic difficulty (18man) having different drop rates, and unique drops to the 12 & 18 man for people who take it on. For the future of delve, and any alliance based content.

I think I could only get behind unique drops if they were cosmetic changes only (for weapons and armor). Do more afterglow stuff, or unique coloring with the stats being exactly the same. That way, people won't feel punished if they don't have the friends to do the very hard versions. But at the same time, those who do get their trophy items to show off that they are better than everybody else*. Ra/ex items only. Sellable scrolls or crafting items or whatever I don't see any issue with being available in the tougher fights.

* Thats why people get butthurt about easing difficulty isn't it?

[Kidnoftle]

A lot of top tier gear atm is very helpful if not necessary for top tier content (drops from single AAs needed for DM, etc) therefore definitely making it more than just an e-peen thing. The days of AH gear being comparable to high end gear by a small margin no longer really seems to be the case. That being said, fuckyeah for town sets.

[urat]

Personally I think the biggest mistake of this event was making it so quick to hand out rewards.

Literally less than a week after delve came out I was able to buy my oatixur (which at the time was still like 3x better than RME) with essentially 0 effort on my behalf. I just fucking ran around barding and other people punched shit and 3 runs later EVERYONE GETS A RME TIER WEAPON.

Less than 5 hours after Yorcia skirmish was live I had an entire damn set of Otronif gear, just doing pickup runs! And I wasn't even trying it just fell from the sky.

Here's what the real issue is, and its a compound of several. SE has been releasing two big things in their latest events.

#1 Gear rains from the fucking sky. We're talking maybe 1 hour or two of effort and you get your reward. NEed to reforge a piece of AF? Do a shout run and not only do you probably get your RF gear done, everyone in the party does. Need to get into the game? Go do skirmish for like 2 hours and get a set of 5/5 skirmish gear. Want your delve armor set for funsies? Go kill Tojil literally once and buy THE ENTIRE SET after one run

Which brings us to point #2:

This content is honestly pretty easy. Partly cause by issue #1, if really good armor from other events is super easy to get, then all events as a whole get very easy very fast because everyone is rocking higher end armor. It's not like the days of old of ffxi where wearing a gimp as SH+1 or hauby+1 was still ok, you can spend like... an hour of effort and get top of the line armor.

I mean seriously what WAS se thinking when they made Yorcia skirmish? After 10 minutes you spend most of the run with thumbs up your ass because monsters just stop spawning. Then 20 minutes later armor rains from the sky and buries everyone... Did they even test this shit?

And finally #3...

They do all of the above, then Follow it up 2 months later by just doing it again with NEW BRAND TOP OF THE LINE SHINEY FUCKING ASS ARMOR that will take all that armor you spent almost no effort on and bury it in the ground!

Throw all that shit away this NEW shit is what you want! You old armor from 2 months ago is WORTHLESS!!! muahahaha

Result: No one wants to do your 2 month old shitty ass easy mode event for shitty ass armor you just nerfed into the ground SE... Because they already did it, beat it 24 hours after it went live, then tossed the armor they got 3 times because you released better stuff 2 months later.

And then all the people who missed the boat whine and cry because no one wants to take them on pickup runs for these events because the 1 or 2 actually good items were already obtained by everyone and their mule at the time, and no one wants to go back and touch that shit ever again.

But people whine and complain, saying the event is too hard (when in fact the real issue is it is too easy)

But instead of, oh, I dunno, making the event worthwhile doing, what is the answer SE comes up with?

Nerf it, of course! Make the event low mannable! That'll solve the problem! :D :D :D


SE, if you wanna fix delve. Make delve armor on par with RF and Skirmish armor. Nerf RF armor to be good, but situationally, and situationally make delve armor just as good.

Give me a reason to go farm delve armor and everyone else will too.

And for jesus christ sakes, fix the fact that the bosses of delve drop FIFTY THOUSAND PLASM

WHO thought it was a good idea to make the progression of plasm go 500->1000->1500->3000->3750 -> JESUS CHRIST 50,000

What the... what fuck? Really? What the fuck?

[Draylo]

THAT'S OUR DRAYLO!

seriously, I stoped responding to draylo a long time ago. His "IF I'M HAVING FUN THEN IT'S ALL YOUR GUYS FAULT THAT YOUR NOT HAVING FUN" attitude has been this way since he started playing this game. I've seen glimmers of social skills throughout the years, but he never seems to be able to grasp ahold of them for longer than a few momments.
It's getting pretty personal attackish in here (as most arguments concerning draylo do,.... you'd think he'd figure this out... if everyone else gets along, but nobody get's along with you, then..... well.... it's probably you. /shrug) so i'll be on my merry way lol.

You idiots can keep saying the same shit. It's mostly the same people too for all these years. Get over yourselves, you don't get to me at all lol. I've said what I've said, and people do agree with me. Just because you have no friends to enjoy the content with, doesn't mean everyone has to suffer. I'll concede on the fact that their can be a 6 man version of an 18 man fight, but you kill the game the moment you kill the alliance fights it's been known for. Get your head out of your ass and realize its an MMO.

Could you be any bigger of a fucking crybaby Draylo? You've taken something that isn't even projecting to be what you think it is and have twisted it around completely and basically attacked anyone who merely disagreed.

Look at who is attacking who in this thread, I think you misread it? Personal attacks abound and social skill questions all because I have an opposing opinion? Yeah, sounds like the internet.

I'm of the thought that Draylo will defend the game til the day it's finally put to rest in terms of fun. Remember guys, the guy has been arguing on the decline of FFXI for the last 3+ years -- try not to take him seriously now-a-days, it's a losing battle on your personal behalf.

I talk to people who still play and they are all mostly doing everything by shout groups and that even most of the top JP players have abandoned the game for a while now (top JP majority server, Carbuncle). The people who play are literally in LSes that maybe 1-8 people are on the entire day.

FFXI is in dire need of some server merges to re-inject some life into it.

Where in this thread am I "defending" FFXI? I'm simply saying alliance content should have a place in this game like it always has. What are you people even reading. The whole "discussion" bit means you will have people who have different opinions... Yeah a losing battle.

[JSHidaka]

Personally I think the biggest mistake of this event was making it so quick to hand out rewards.

Yea... miss the old days... SKY, LIMBUS, HNM Camping.. where you if you had luck in a month or so could get a piece of gear!!! [/sarcams]

SE, if you wanna fix delve. Make delve armor on par with RF and Skirmish armor. Nerf RF armor to be good, but situationally, and situationally make delve armor just as good.

and the answer is...

Throw all that shit away this NEW shit is what you want! You old armor from 2 months ago is WORTHLESS!!! muahahaha

[Malithar]

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Pretty sure Ccl's LS was the first to down Tojil with Rngs, and that didn't happen for.... 3 weeks after it came out? Been awhile. Pretty sure you didn't just mindlessly walk in and find yourself with Oats 1 week after it came out, even more so since that soon after Delve came out, groups with all 18 giving 110% effort still weren't cutting it.

Delve bosses are worth 50k during a 5/5+B as a sort of "congrats" or extra reward. Bead out 3 of them and you're looking at 20k plasm. I remember Matsui saying at some point shortly after groups started succeeding that they didn't expect the player base to be capable of 5+B so soon, and really, for the majority of the player base, they never were capable. Hell, some still aren't now with full allies. Regardless, no one cleared Delve once then just bought all the gear and never touched it again. They had to grind the plasm and the kills as a whole. Personally, I thought it was a pretty good system overall. It remained largely relevant for what, 6 months give or take a bit? Prior to 119 RMEs, it was the only source of 119 weapons (still is, ignoring RMEs, for H2H, polearm, and a couple of other's I'm too lazy to double check before saying), and it still has some of the best accessories, armor, and situational pieces. Delve felt rewarding to do for a long time. Unlike old FFXI events where you're just mindlessly killing NMs hoping for your 5% drop piece that you've been in line for forever to drop, you were actively working towards getting what you wanted, as well as being rewarded with easily rank 15ing plasm gear, gil from lixirs, gear, etc.

You're kind of ignoring the direction that the gear is going atm, IMO. Whether it's for a short time or not, 119 is the cap atm. All that skirmish gear that was so easy to get that you tossed it out? Cool, go get it again. +1 for your foresight if you didn't toss it or spend tens of millions getting perfect augs. RF+1, RFR+1, Delve gear, AA gear, and Skirmish v3 gear is going to round us out pretty well, I think. There hasn't really been any "omg the new gear destroys old gear" for quite a few months. They've been doing a good job of adding options, situationally better pieces, etc. I'm personally happy with that. Can work towards getting that piece that's a slim upgrade for your set, but in the mean time, you're not stupidly gimp for using some other 119 piece.

Not white knighting, but your analysis of the problem seems pretty off base.

[Treize Kordero]

Delve... Endgame.. serious business yo :O

[JSHidaka]

I guess those "elitist" are mad coz they dont have their "hard to get item" anymore... everything is common now. they are not special anymore..

In cap 75 were RELICS were the top rare weapon...
will avoid all others temporal caps till 99..
Before SOA, Empy/Mythics 99 would be in this section, + probably Some Abjuration +1.
After SOA
Delve Time @ for practically the first 3-5 months: Delve Weapon, only few LS were able to beat the bosses
REM Revamp @ update time: Just few were able to get their REM's to 119 in the first 2 weeks.
After ROE: hmm what's the hard to get item now?... Mythics arent that rare anymore, still the top rare coz the difficult to do another one. guess we are now @ afterglow stage...

[Cairthenn]

It makes sense for them to tune-back old content that you can't really get people for any more, especially if they plan to keep the iLevel static for quite a bit.

However, when they add new Delve they really need to keep it challenging. I know I haven't been able to get into anything much lately because the fights don't feel like much an accomplishment when you can just pick easy.

[Damane]

why are we arguing about this? the devs clearly stated they will ease up older content after a while and they never said they would stop do alliance content alltogether, just focus more on party based content while also delivering some alliance content.

[NynJa]

Literally less than a week after delve came out I was able to buy my oatixur (which at the time was still like 3x better than RME) with essentially 0 effort on my behalf. I just fucking ran around barding and other people punched shit and 3 runs later EVERYONE GETS A RME TIER WEAPON.

Less than 5 hours after Yorcia skirmish was live I had an entire damn set of Otronif gear, just doing pickup runs! And I wasn't even trying it just fell from the sky.

Lets exaggerate the shit out of numbers even more!!!

Where in this thread am I "defending" FFXI? I'm simply saying alliance content should have a place in this game like it always has. What are you people even reading. The whole "discussion" bit means you will have people who have different opinions... Yeah a losing battle.

Not ONE PERSON in here has said "FUCK ALLIANCE CONTENT", NOT ONE, and yet you're fighting like thats all were saying.

[Draylo]

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I just got to add 2 things;

1) epic reads, hasn't been this much posted on bg for days combined.

2) It's FUCKING HILARIOUS that you all finally united in agreement that 18 member content is -retarded- while I've been making this argument for well over a year and I was "the bad guy", saying that trying to do an event with 17 mouthbreathers is the worst thing ever considering what's left in the playable pool of characters.

It's heartwarming to know that all along I was right, and your eyes have finally all opened. (though I'm certain that will change again, but for the time being, *hurray*).

Not one person eh? The rest were pretty much read through the lines. Oh, and look at the top post on this page:

Honestly at this point Square should consider a normal difficulty (6 man) a hard mode difficulty (12man) and then heroic difficulty (18man) having different drop rates, and unique drops to the 12 & 18 man for people who take it on. For the future of delve, and any alliance based content.

Same shit I said on the last page and you monkeys jumped on me. Seriously, learn to debate or discuss things without resorting to personal attacks and looking like monkeys. New delve should be challenging as said, I feel that is done best with an alliance content setup. If you disagree, that is fine. That doesn't make it right or wrong, this entire thread is stupid.

[NynJa]

Not one person eh? The rest were pretty much read through the lines. Oh, and look at the top post on this page:

That one person also actually HAS no friends, and would keep posting on the OF that if "he had 18 of him, he could steamroll any content this game has to offer, but cause theres only one of me its not fair that I cant do any of your content", his opinion doesnt count.

Same shit I said on the last page and you monkeys jumped on me. Seriously, learn to debate or discuss things without resorting to personal attacks and looking like monkeys. New delve should be challenging as said, I feel that is done best with an alliance content setup.

Except at no point here were you open to the concept of 6 man scaled content. For you it was 18 or "Recruit moar noob".

[Draylo]

Really man? You're grasping at straws now. It's been said various times in this thread "fuck alliance content" simply because those people lack the means to do it. I was open to 6 man content, I said the exact same thing that poster said, unique rewards to the alliance portion of the battle. That was also met with opposition as well from the same crowd lol.

[bechyni]

Wasn't hard to find 18+ people on Carbuncle to do current events

[NynJa]

Really man? You're grasping at straws now. It's been said various times in this thread "fuck alliance content" simply because those people lack the means to do it. I was open to 6 man content, I said the exact same thing that poster said, unique rewards to the alliance portion of the battle. That was also met with opposition as well from the same crowd lol.

Because you were saying "Alliance gets unique shit" (not higher drop rates / bigger loot pools but entirely different and better loot), which is the same problem: content that affects the minority that the majority can not partake in.

Wasn't hard to find 18+ people on Carbuncle to do current events

Really? Because it seems to me like you were constantly necroing your own "plz join my LS" posts here and ffxiah, but not difficult at all. Not to mention you had to pull people from how many different LS's to do shit under your LS name?