Lets get together and argue with each other aka Draylo is always wrong?

[Sechs]

@sechs: actually my shell enjoyed delve alot.

Glad to see mine wasn't the only LS with people who really enjoyed Delve.
We got bored of it a bit later than October, for several reasons, but it occurred to us too in the end.

some will rejoin when delve 2 hits and is challenging enough as ally content

At this point I'm starting to wonder IF delve 2 will hit (as a 18men event, I mean)

[Draylo]

Delve II will be here and as alliance content. It might have sliding difficulties like previous content though. Don't take everything you read in this thread as a definitive opinion of the whole populace. A lot of people were capable of beating delve and enjoyed the entire system. You can see this by all the 119 equipment people have across every server, it wasn't inaccessible at all. Here you have the bitter and sour people who just love to whine and complain because they can't always get their way. They just want to two box everything and have the entire game handed to them because they don't have the time anymore or friends to play with. They don't realize how big of a hit that would be to this game as it is.

[Kidnoftle]

I'm not sure where you're getting us advocating for smarter more dynamic content as the playberbase wanting to be handed something. I think it's quite clear that a majority of the capable playerbase has absolutely 0 problems capping on gear in a week whereas for incapable players its an irrelevant question since they can't accomplish anything (although, that being said, is it really such a strange thing for the incapable players to bitch and moan because, for all intents and purposes, most content is closed to them?). Not to beat a dead horse, but with events like salvage you could "train" a group very easily to at the very least become familiar with salvage to the point where it was accessible to skilled and unskilled players alike.

[Draylo]

You can train people in alliance based content as well. It was part of the challenge, just like perfecting a 6 man strategy for Salvage. Each person has one role, and as they fulfill that roll they should be expected to get better at it. I think you are confusing two sides of the argument here. My main jab was at the people who are like "fuck alliance content" simply because they are incapable of doing it. People who STILL do not have a Delve win and blame it on the system. These people have events to do yet they want access to everything. You can't be bad at a MMO and expect to be able to do everything in it. The only content that is closed to them is ones they are unwilling to attempt. I already said I agree with a difficulty slider (begrudgingly, but I do see the point) but I wanted exclusive drops for the alliance portion. Alliance portion takes more work and has more mouths to feed, there should be some incentive to team up with people for it.

[urat]

Lowered plasm rewards: Check

Added some useful items to buy with plasm: Check

And as an added bonus SE made us really wanna do delve by using delve boss drops as the mats to +1 relic armor.

All the need to do is make delve armor on par with skirmish/reforged armor so a good player needs to go get it for some situations and delve will be perfect.

[arus2001]

People would have enjoyed it if they weren't so antisocial and bad.

Yeah. No.

This all comes back to the logistics side of content. As it ages, the less people who want to participate in it you'll see. Backtracking is generally something people dislike doing unless there's something for them to gain from it.

Putting aside skill or social cohesiveness with large numbers, there's a very simple reason why I dislike large-scale content being the be-all of of character progression, and it's that my play time is unreliable. Prime time group that runs 8pm EST every night? That's cool. I might only be there twice a week. They're better off getting someone who can be there more often to better stabilize group progression. Timing puts me on at 3am? Yeah, good luck filling a shout group at off-peak. Guess it doesn't matter how skillful I am, I'm just arbitrarily shut out and will need exponentially more time just to get on an even playing field with people who finished ages ago. And by then you're probably looking at new progression content they've got a leg up in anyway.

Sorry, but I hate paying for games I can't play for reasons outside my control.

But this kind of shit gets regurgitated in damn near every MMO forum. Some jackass with a glut of free time or the good fortune of having a guild/linkshell just right for them deems to rule from on high about what people deserve or don't out of their play, defaulting to the tired supposition of people unhappy with their status quo wanting hand outs and that the players of games have no idea what they really want with their entertainment. Fuck that minority with a spiky, flaming, acid spitting dildo. The only advantages numbers should yield is speed of acquisition and not by some drastic margin.

[bechyni]

Lowered plasm rewards: Check

There is no lowered plasm in delve

Just did the 6man Tojil, finished in 23mins. Tojil took 3 minutes to kill with 2 MNKs

[Draylo]

lol interesting

[LiquidFriend]

There is no lowered plasm in delve

Just did the 6man Tojil, finished in 23mins. Tojil took 3 minutes to kill with 2 MNKs

Curious what your exact setup was

[bechyni]

MNK MNK COR BRD WHM SCH

[Dominico]

Still spams the shit out of lahar? 1 stunner seems a bit rough.

[bechyni]

Didn't seem to spam TP moves as much, as long as your SCH doesn't suck it shouldn't matter.

[Damane]

Still spams the shit out of lahar? 1 stunner seems a bit rough.

depends on the sch gear, with marches and a good fast cast haste gear it shouldn be an issue, especially if you use tabula rasa to keep your stratagems infinitly up. but usually there is no need for that if you skip spell stunning and just really focus on ws stunning

[Draylo]

So you get all regular drops and 70k plasm with 6 people?

[Damane]

So you get all regular drops and 70k plasm with 6 people?

delve is getting olde draylo, there is no need to cockblock people from it anymore, especially when the mats are needed for ilvl 119 relic

infact its so olde that I feel atm forced to go back to it just for the relic upgrade mats -_-

[bechyni]

So you get all regular drops and 70k plasm with 6 people?

Yep

[Damane]

I am guessing for the bee: 2x BLU BRD COR WHM SCH should be a decent setup. Since blus were allready excellent previously on that fracture with requiescat (gnat, bee) and terror (scorp, chapuli).

[bechyni]

Shark in 27mins MNK SAM COR WHM SCH BRD. Could of been quicker but we waited for BRD JAs for SV

6man is by far 100x more boring than 18

[JSHidaka]

If someone kill them w/o SCH Stuns.. then will be draylo worst nightmare...

[Draylo]

They were already able to be killed w/o stuns but its a lot riskier. I couldn't care less if people are able to 6 man them, if you actually read my posts I was saying for new delve coming out.