Oops I did it again ~

[BaneTheBrawler]

yah everything i've heard (admittedly not too much, though an increasing amount lately due to friends & family having babies) agrees that breastmilk is great, but formula is fine as a supplement. you produce what you produce.

[Aksannyi]

Seriously, fuck anyone who tells you that your baby will be worse off without breastmilk. Yes it does have its benefits but plenty of babies are absolutely fine without it. I hate those stuck up types who tell you "you're doing it wrong" with your own kids. Mind your own fucking business.

(Unless of course the child is endangered, but most of the time, people are just being nosy.)

[Ksandra]

Ya I know. It's just so easy to feel like a failure. The pressure includes the doctors because of the whole "baby-friendly" requirements hospitals have.. I promised myself I wouldn't do it like I did with my daughter (spent so much time with her crying all the time while I tried to do everything the doctors' said with no results.)

I am doing crazy pumping/feeding this week with a weight check on thursday. If I don't like the results, fuck 'em, I am supplementing. With my daughter I ultimately bf/pumped/supplimented for afull year, so I feel like in the end she got more bm than most (from what I've read quite a few stop at three months, and most stop at 6). If I gotta do it again that way, I will.

[Aksannyi]

Yeah the fact that you kept at it for a year even with struggles is to be commended, because you're right, most women do stop around 3 months, some even sooner than that (after the "real" milk comes in).

You're doing the best you can, and that's more than you can say for a lot of people.

[Elizara]

My sister in law, as I understand it, has had problems breastfeeding; All of her kids ended up on the bottle in the end, so I see nothing wrong with bottles. (Which is not a bad thing, for she works; makes it easier to watch my nephew and nieces since we can feed the babies! But that's another story..). So I wouldn't budge a inch if you're having trouble!

Oh and grats on the new baby! And I'm really sorry about the death; I've been going though that myself. Just before my nephew was born, my mom died X_X, still getting over the death myself.

[Coren]

My wife had issues producing enough, and gave up completely on kid #2 after a couple of weeks. After one feed-and-weigh, she found out the baby had gotten a total of .2 oz.

[Kryssan]

Nothing wrong with supplements as people have stated. People ought to be breastfeeding if they can, for far longer than most do; of course not everyone can - for whatever reason. Formuales don't work in all situations either, premature / endangered babies already mentioned and then of course there are plenty of babies who can't handle formula milk. I would personally stress that the importance of breastmilk is really the immunological / GI development one and not so much the pure 'nutritional' one that often gets touted hardest / first. Nature tends to do its job well and we still haven't duplicated things exactly but as noted, it usually isn't going to cause drastic problems.

Just out of curiosity though, have you tried to use induced / adoptive ( surrogate ) lactation methods to boost your milk production? If not it might be worth a shot. Would depend on your choice and what other medications you're currently on though. Highly recommend deep research / asking doctors though because there is a lot of bogus stuff. One of those times I wish I had paid more attention in family matters since it came up on a few occasions.

[Ksandra]

Just out of curiosity though, have you tried to use induced / adoptive ( surrogate ) lactation methods to boost your milk production? If not it might be worth a shot.

Not sure what methods you are referring to, but for my daughter I tried: power pumping refusing her everything but the breast, fenugreek, mother's milk tea, oatmeal, blessed thistle, reglan, breast feeding with a sns. no results on any of this.

So far (only a week old) for son we are trying power pumping with more milk plus (pill that's basically a mixture of fenugreek et. al.). Doctor said if no improvement on the weight check in on thursday she will probably prescribe reglan. So basically, same old shit, different day.

I may give reglan another shot, but I will supplement while doing it. I won't let him go hungry while trying.

[archibaldcrane]

My baby boy is going to dominate all your babies in a few months when he gets here, just to warn you.

[Ksandra]

My baby boy is going to dominate all your babies in a few months when he gets here, just to warn you.

haha, grats!

(but you can't beat hapa babies!)

[Aksannyi]

My babies aren't even babies anymore, this summer I'm going to have a damn 10 year old. I still don't know what the hell happened, I mean shit, he was born like a few weeks ago I swear.

[BaneTheBrawler]

YOURE OLD

[Cesaria]

Congratulations (I don't check in on this forum that much anymore - just don't get the time)... and just keep it to sane levels with the breastfeeding pressure - went to hell and back with my eldest (seems stupid saying that about a not-quite 2 year old) after she was premature and needed tube feeding to start with and I did the whole prescribed medication and everything shebang, with my second I was much more relaxed about it (and it turns out she has allergies and needs ridiculously expensive prescription formula anyway). I figure the sanctimommy brigade are going to find something to give you shit about no matter what you do (the usual one I get is over an 11 month age gap and daring to use a double pushchair).

As for the second babies flying out... sub-10 minute labour anyone? They're still taking the piss out of the doctor who said the baby wasn't coming at all when she arrived 15 minutes later while my husband had stepped out of the room to ring his work and was grabbed by the scruff of his neck and hoiked back indoors by the midwife just in time!

[Kryssan]

Not sure what methods you are referring to, but for my daughter I tried: power pumping refusing her everything but the breast, fenugreek, mother's milk tea, oatmeal, blessed thistle, reglan, breast feeding with a sns. no results on any of this.

So far (only a week old) for son we are trying power pumping with more milk plus (pill that's basically a mixture of fenugreek et. al.). Doctor said if no improvement on the weight check in on thursday she will probably prescribe reglan. So basically, same old shit, different day.

I may give reglan another shot, but I will supplement while doing it. I won't let him go hungry while trying.

Yeah, mainly thistle and fenugreek.

Domperidone ( Motilium ) - ( link ) is the other one, but you have to talk to a doctor about it. The Canadians are more lenient ( link ) however almost all the studies ( including the one linked ) have very small sample sizes, but in the US it was dissuaded from use due to concerns when taken by IV( link ). A lot of the surrogacy groups dissuade from using Reglan ( metoclopramide ) though, since it crosses the blood-brain barrier and enters milk in significant amounts.

[Aksannyi]

YOURE OLD

Fuck off, I'm 33.

[Quixon]

Seems our newborns may be battling for world domination Archi.

My wife is due in September. Not far enough along yet for us to know the sex of the baby. I'm hoping for a boy ^_^d

Also, for those who don't have one, breast pumps are apparently 100% covered now by medical insurance. Apparently it was one of the stipulations in the ACA. Thanks Obama, saves me like $350 lol.

[Aksannyi]

$350 for a breast pump? Mine was nowhere near that cost. I don't remember much about it except that it was an electrical one that allowed me to detach and go manual if I wanted to, but it sure as fuck didn't cost that much.

[Quixon]

My wife handles the breast pump stuff. I just tell her to hand me the bill. Luckily I get to hand that shit right to insurance now. It's nice to get a benefit after paying into it for over a decade and never using it.

I know it was an electric double pump (handled both boobs simultaneously). No other info, other than I don't have to pay for it now lol. This is our first child, so no prior experience in equipment.


Edit:

I found it! I remembered the Yellow Packaging.

Medela Electric Double Breast Pump. It was $279.99+tax at Target when we saw it in the store. I see online it sells for around $249.

http://www.giggle.com/on/demandware....FW3NOgodWVsA1Q

[Aksannyi]

Ahh, sounds like she got the high-end model since insurance was paying for it, hell I think most might have done the same. That just sounds high to me but then again I bought mine 10 years ago so ... who knows.

[Quixon]

Well yeah I got lucky and did a little research to find out Insurance Covered it. She wanted that one regardless. I was looking for any way to find it cheaper and came across the ACA info first. Home Owners Syndrome kicks in for any item above $25 lol. (Ie. diligently looking for the best price, online or otherwise, for anything above $25)

It's also not as simple as going to buy the pump and just submit the bill to the insurance either, forgot to mention that. You need to be a certain time frame from your due date and some other BS as well. I think each insurance handles those aspects differently. The stipulations weren't all that ridiculous at all.