Patch 2.2 ─ Through the Maelstrom Trailer Now Live! (03/14/2014)

[Intense]

I'd be more curious how they'd handle Thief having a bunch of enmity abilities and defensive cooldowns and shield skills in that hypothetical. It would be the only melee DPS in the game that isn't completely forced into directional requirements given how GLD combo works. Not saying they couldn't make it work, it would just take a thorough overhaul.

If they were be an 'emnity management' job with the ability to be a DPS like in FFXI then I could easily see how they would be able to transfer the enmity they're building to another person through an ability. I just don't think there would be a need for it in the current state of the game unless they introduce mob mechanics to make it necessary.

That topic always comes up whenever there's a discussion about new jobs.

Of course and what I just said aside, I didn't intend to derail into a discussion on how THF could work if it stems from the current dagger wielding class. I just brought it up to provide an example of how things could play out if a job comes from a class that multiple people already have at 50.

[Nama]

Well the only presidence we have for new classes being first introduced is the scholar leak from promotional art so I can see why people are quick to jump on this. Still remains true that the object in the art can't be a bow. I do agree with others that a new class/job should be talked up/hyped more then merely popping up in the background of art. Not doing so is a missed opportunity to generate interest in the game, its one of those hooks that get people. SE has done dumber things in the past then trying to keep class/jobs hidden so I wouldn't be too surprised if they think its a good idea. So either the art is showing something new they will "surprise" us with if so yay I guess or SE is teasing things way in advance in that case yay I guess? Either way I think they are going about it wrong and more importantly WTF wheres musketeer already.

[OWS_Tonx]

dat mnk weapon tho. shit looks worse than the crafted 'relics' from 1.0. I think they were called Avengers?

[Raldo]

That's exactly what is being depicted there, the Avengers. http://xivdb.com/?item/1743/Avengers

Also, to join the stupid conversation; looks like a bow to me.

[Wulfgang]

Where are people investing for 2.2? I bought a shitload of crafting materia with the assumption that it would be needed for new recipes (e.g. ~i75 crafting gear + melds for master recipes). May not pan out exactly, but it seemed like a fairly safe investment to me.

[Akiyama]

Actually this is a great question. Anyone know what's worth small investments? Maybe tome-mats (though I assume it's probably going to be some myth mats now or w/e).. materia, etc?

[Raldo]

I liquidated. I suspect everything else will be so common as to be worthless (i.e. current unspoiled node items) or brand new. The only thing that made sense to invest in, to me, was 2-star foods, now that people will be able to reach the caps.

You may be right about the crafting materia though. I hadn't thought of that.

My suggestion: invest in / farm crystal clusters.

[Akiyama]

Yeah because.. I dunno, possibly new gear, so you'll need to meld more materia or something..

I'm interested if the new crafting weapons will be just higher ilvl or whatever.

[Kaslo]

I have been saving materia that I have been converting for the past month.

[Crizto]

I liquidated. I suspect everything else will be so common as to be worthless (i.e. current unspoiled node items) or brand new. The only thing that made sense to invest in, to me, was 2-star foods, now that people will be able to reach the caps.

You may be right about the crafting materia though. I hadn't thought of that.

My suggestion: invest in / farm crystal clusters.

I might have missed a post or something... but are they changing the stats of 2-star foods in 2.2?

[Kaslo]

I might have missed a post or something... but are they changing the stats of 2-star foods in 2.2?

People were barely able to reach 2-star caps with i90 gear, with increase in stats from increase in ilvl that food becomes easier to cap.

[Akiyama]

I have been saving materia that I have been converting for the past month.

I still have a lot of materia as well, including some of the tier 4 you got from quests.

[Raldo]

I might have missed a post or something... but are they changing the stats of 2-star foods in 2.2?

No, but as our average iLv goes up, so too does our stats and our ability to hit the caps that we can't currently reach with 2-star foods.

2-star foods have such low bonus percentages and/or such high caps that most of them are currently worse/equivalent to 1-star foods. For example, to reach the +parry bonus cap of HQ Finger Sandwiches (+4% up to a cap of +27), you would need have 675+ Parry. That is impossible with current gear, but with better gear, we will finally be able to make full utilization (reach the cap) of 2-star foods. To compare HQ Finger Sandwiches to HQ La Noscean Toast (+5% parry up to a cap of +23), you would need a Parry stat of greater than 600 to make HQ Finger Sandwiches better than HQ La Noscean Toast.

This is why anyone who put any more thought into their food than "ooh, 2-star food, higher caps, must be better!" uses 1-star food. This is why DPS classes use Buttons in a Blanket instead of (I actually had to look it up because I didn't even know the name of the 2-star Det/Crit food) Black Truffle Risotto when accuracy is not a concern.

[Crizto]

I only looked at 2-star DPS food vs sub-50 DPS food, but it seems worse off or marginally better in all cases. Keep in mind the game will floor all your gains.

Lava Toad Legs vs. Stuffed Cabbage
VIT: +19 (634 req'd) vs +13 (325 req'd). You won't get the full benefit out of either. 2-Star wins after 467 VIT.
ACC: +27 (675 req'd) vs +21 (420 req'd). 2-Star wins after 550 ACC.
CRIT: +11 (550 req'd) vs +9 (450 req'd). 2-star wins after 500 CRIT.

At best 2-star wins by 1-2 CRIT but generally loses out by 3-4 accuracy.

Black Truffle Risotto vs. Buttons in a Blanket
VIT: +19 (634 req'd) vs +15 (375 req'd). You won't get the full benefit out of either. 2-Star wins when you're above 533 VIT.
CRIT: +11 (550 req'd) vs +10 (450 req'd). 2-Star wins when you're above 550 CRIT
DET: +17 (425 req'd) vs +16 (320 req'd). 2-Star wins when you're above 425 DET.

Buttons in a Blanket wins for me.

Apkallu Omelet vs. Deviled Eggs
VIT: +19 (634 req'd) vs +14 (350 req'd). Deviled Eggs wins for me by 3 VIT. 2-Star will win when you're above 500 VIT.
CRIT: +27 (675 req'd) vs +24 (480 req'd). Deviled Eggs wins for me by 2 CRIT. 2-Star wins when you're above 625 CRIT.
ACC: +11 (634 req'd) vs. +10 (500 req'd). 2-Star wins when you're above 634 ACC.

Deviled Eggs wins for me on SMN and BLM.

You need some obscene stats for 2-Star to win in most situations. I don't even think upgrading your gear with 2.2 loot will put you anywhere close to the thresholds needed for it to be worthwhile while you progress. Maybe I'm lucky as a DPS, but calculate this stuff out for your own class before you go out and spend your money; it might actually be to your detriment to use 2-Star food. If you're below the cap on any stat for sub-50 food it will always scale faster as you upgrade your gear (the high +% gains).

Something I wrote up a little while ago... I don't know if I'm completely off base here but do you actually think we'll get enough stats in the ilvl increase? My stats right now in the gear I logged out in

VIT: 357
DET: 287
CRIT: 517

I don't even hit the VIT cap for some of these foods yet. Did I mess something up when I calculated things?

[Obsidian]

Something I wrote up a little while ago... I don't know if I'm completely off base here but do you actually think we'll get enough stats in the ilvl increase? My stats right now in the gear I logged out in

VIT: 357
DET: 287
CRIT: 517

I don't even hit the VIT cap for some of these foods yet. Did I mess something up when I calculated things?

You can already push 580 parry, breaching 600 for finger sandwiches should be a breeze. Not sure what my vit is offhand but it's well over 500.

[Kaslo]

You can already push 580 parry, breaching 600 for finger sandwiches should be a breeze. Not sure what my vit is offhand but it's well over 500.

Also, Finger Sandwiches are the only way to hit over 7000hp for PLDs

[Raldo]

Oh, I see what you're saying. You think we'll still be using 1-star foods. An interesting thought that had not even crossed my mind. I suppose that's entirely dependent on how they handle the stats on the new iLevels, and just how high they increase the maximum iLevels in 2.2. We could extrapolate using existing data points to assume that each piece of gear will only gain 4~7 points of [secondary stat] for every 20 iLevels, but it's hard to say whether or not they'll follow the same formula that they did from i70 to i90.

I certainly don't see us suddenly gaining 100+ Determination, so Buttons in a Blanket will probably still be ubiquitous, at least.

[Nama]

Where are people investing for 2.2? I bought a shitload of crafting materia with the assumption that it would be needed for new recipes (e.g. ~i75 crafting gear + melds for master recipes). May not pan out exactly, but it seemed like a fairly safe investment to me.

Pretty much cap philo/myth and save all materia. Most items are easy enough to get that any spikes in them will just be from the initial rush and will die down fast. Some unspoiled node items may go up in price if the new nodes overlap times people will choose new items and influx of old node items will drop. So Gold/Darksteel ore etc might be worth holding on to.

[Obsidian]

Also, Finger Sandwiches are the only way to hit over 7000hp for PLDs

If I had the Allagan Blade I'd break 7000 with toast. I'm at 6999 right now. :/

[Kaslo]

If I had the Allagan Blade I'd break 7000 with toast. I'm at 6999 right now. :/

Still at Full i90 Fingers give more VIT than Toast