Delve 2.0 discussion

[Fake]

Static Prison also appears to do more damage at lower hp, Cailimh is far more unfriendly to melee if aura stays up for any length of time. Timbeeer is by no means a wipe if you use holy waters and doesn't really slow you down once its off, a few Static Prisons will completely stall damage if they don't kill you.

For reference I have killed Wopket without removing aura at all (blm DC'd and didn't come back), we only used 2 DDs when aura went up and apart from the whm kiting it a lot more than usual the fight wasn't that hard. It definitely took a lot longer but the point is its aura being up didn't prevent the win, constant static prison will completely shred any chance of winning.

[Darkmagi]

Static prison did about 1500? to my rng in capped MDT when I went in range at low hp to see the damage. It's not going to one shot, but a melee setup on hurkan still sounds terrible. We also do wopket without removing aura, we just use 2 WHM and one is a yagrush that pretty much spams cursna. Our last kill we were doomed for like the entire last 25%.

[NynJa]

Theres a good chance a melee wont have shell up either, since one of its moves do dispel, you cant expect a whm to go in every time and re-shellra

[Dotsudoku]

Static prison did about 1500? to my rng in capped MDT when I went in range at low hp to see the damage. It's not going to one shot, but a melee setup on hurkan still sounds terrible. We also do wopket without removing aura, we just use 2 WHM and one is a yagrush that pretty much spams cursna. Our last kill we were doomed for like the entire last 25%.

Agree that it sounds terrible, but if you're making Wopket work without the aura always being down, more power to you. Maybe we just suck!

[Darkmagi]

Well to do it without the whole kiting BS, I'd say 2x whm with one of them having yagrush is pretty much a must if you're not going to be taking aura off.

[Alistrianna]

Does your Yagrush WHM bother with Divine Caress to block future Dooms? I'd imagine that would lend a great deal of breathing room when dealing with Timber spam since Caress extends its protection to everyone if the WHM successfully removes the status ailment as an aoe.

[Fwahm]

Kiting is for Uproot, no? The mages will have to kite sometimes if the entire melee group are getting periodically hate reset.

[dasva]

I'd imagine hallow waters would work well. At least they do against wkr version

[Darkmagi]

Kiting is for Uproot, no? The mages will have to kite sometimes if the entire melee group are getting periodically hate reset.

We don't ever kite, our WHMs just alternate running in after each uproot and just tank while curagaing til hate switches.

[ccl]

We only use 1 whm for wopket, whm can tank it and spam curaga III/IV after each tp move, our whm don't kite it ever.

[chichicha]

Yeah, that's the idea. We initially wanted to go for the T5 first to see if we would even be able to do it. We still need to try out the other tier NMs to develop battle strats. We do have the T1 Colibri pet job strategy down to an artform. Just a matter of timing SMN BP when it's casting. Takes about 3-4 minutes.

I'm interested to see this.
Which pet is actually tanking from your group?
Is it all PUP are using RNG frame ?
I have a group of 6 PUP friends that we were thinking we could pet burn something.

Kamhir T3. - is there any gimmick? I don't see much info about this.
T5 monkey - is it true that WS from his back works as inside Meeble?

[Lyramion]

Did some more testing on the "Special" Delve 2 fracture NMs that give 250 plasm:


- If you kill them mobs will now respawn.
- Each mob will respawn about 5 times and then stop respawning.
- Each mob will gain a very quick respawn timer of about 1 minute.

[Damane]

Theres a good chance a melee wont have shell up either, since one of its moves do dispel, you cant expect a whm to go in every time and re-shellra

an other solution would be to have a GEO in range with Indi-Fend that gives 45 MDB for static prison. The question is if the GEO can survive static prison itself and if its worth giving up that 1 slot in favour for a GEO. Just tossing out Ideas.

[Fake]

an other solution would be to have a GEO in range with Indi-Fend that gives 45 MDB for static prison. The question is if the GEO can survive static prison itself and if its worth giving up that 1 slot in favour for a GEO. Just tossing out Ideas.

Its not worth bringing melee in the first place and pld has no issues surviving with aura up. GEO is fine to use since you can use it to MB off the aura.

[dasva]

an other solution would be to have a GEO in range with Indi-Fend that gives 45 MDB for static prison. The question is if the GEO can survive static prison itself and if its worth giving up that 1 slot in favour for a GEO. Just tossing out Ideas.

holy heck 45 MDB is kinda huge. I'd imagine the could survive with that much mdb. If not could always mab down too.

[Damane]

holy heck 45 MDB is kinda huge. I'd imagine the could survive with that much mdb. If not could always mab down too.

MAB down is only -18

[Fake]

And yet its entirely irrelevant because the only really dangerous move is also the move that removes multiple buffs, so even if your whm can cure through it they'll end up taking hate and you'll lose anyway.

[dasva]

MAB down is only -18

True but said too. Also to keep in mind stacking mdb has decreasing returns while -mdb increasing. So assuming the average player has 10mdb from ilvl gear that 45 mdb is about 29% dmg reduction. Still better than the 18% or so from mab down but not as big a diff as it sounds like at first. Actually is there any other mab down sources for players?

[Hitou]

Omniscience off the top of my head. Donno how practical it would be to have a sch run in and ws though.

[Sechs]

Might seem a bit OT, but I'm asking to make the belladonna in Yorcia trivial.
Does Perfect Defense overwrite Perfect Defense?
If you already have PD up and use PD again, will it overwrite it with a new max power one or will it have no effect unless the previous has expired?

Also if I recall PD, at least the old one before they patched it, had at least 3 steps/tiers (around every ~30 seconds) of potency. At start you're virtually immune to anything then you get more damage.
Does the reduced potency apply only to damage or also to resistance against debuffs? (charm, in this example)