Delve 2.0 discussion

[Yugl]

Wings of Agony does 1k to 3k DMG. Multiple attack?
One stun works, but subsequent stuns will resist. Geo-Languor breaks.
Ice attacks reduce DMG (?)

Ravenous wail is breath damage. (Some line about BDT/Scherzo)
Shrieking Gale is full dispel, so calling back members seems to be the best plan.

THF without shell took 3.7k DMG; if no RUN buff (idk which they specify), you would probably take 2.4k DMG maximum (?)

Wings of Agony's range is great, so don't move too close.

Blizzard seems to work more often than Stone. Seems to require a magic boost even though they landed 50% or more (This is pretty much the important piece even though they mention 119 staff for w/e reason).

Balancing Melee/Ranged/Magic damage reduces the damage dealt? (This is from foreigner's forum)

[Orestes]

Wings of Agony does 1k to 3k DMG. Multiple attack?
One stun works, but subsequent stuns will resist. Geo-Languor breaks.
Ice attacks reduce DMG (?)

Ravenous wail is breath damage. (Some line about BDT/Scherzo)
Shrieking Gale is full dispel, so calling back members seems to be the best plan.

THF without shell took 3.7k DMG; if no RUN buff (idk which they specify), you would probably take 2.4k DMG maximum (?)

Wings of Agony's range is great, so don't move too close.

Blizzard seems to work more often than Stone. Seems to require a magic boost even though they landed 50% or more (This is pretty much the important piece even though they mention 119 staff for w/e reason).

Balancing Melee/Ranged/Magic damage reduces the damage dealt? (This is from foreigner's forum)

Thanks, I appreciate it.

I've read most of what was said here, except the bit about RUN. We haven't tried that yet, but overall I'm just frustrated with the randomness of this fight. More often than not, we end up with a dead PLD, and RNG's scrambling to kite & down her asap.

If anyone is farming this zone low-man, I'd be curious to hear your setups. We run x3 RNG, PLD, WHM, BRD, but have been considering substituting a RNG for a BLM, SCH, GEO, SMN, or COR. Any thoughts?

Thanks

[NynJa]

100-50: pld with Ochain, no real worries.
50-0: switch to Aegis, its TP moves become magical and will hurt. The only exception being Ravenous Wail, which seems to be Breath Damage and is not annuled by Aegis. However, if PLD tanks at max distance, Wail is short distance AOE centered around the harpeia, the PLD can run out of range and not take damage, or PLD can just stack what little BDT gear there is and hope for the best.. RNG's should Overkill to push it to 0 as fast as possible. It seems to be multihit, so Scherzo wont affect it. Its other TP moves are not avoidable like so, rely on Aegis.

[Orestes]

100-50: pld with Ochain, no real worries.
50-0: switch to Aegis, its TP moves become magical and will hurt. The only exception being Ravenous Wail, which seems to be Breath Damage and is not annuled by Aegis. However, if PLD tanks at max distance, Wail is short distance AOE centered around the harpeia, the PLD can run out of range and not take damage, or PLD can just stack what little BDT gear there is and hope for the best.. RNG's should Overkill to push it to 0 as fast as possible. It seems to be multihit, so Scherzo wont affect it. Its other TP moves are not avoidable like so, rely on Aegis.

Thanks, that's great info. We had no idea you could avoid wail like that.

[NynJa]

PLD has to really be on the ball to avoid wail like that, using ja0 so they dont get caught casting or WSing, especially if you're on a NA connection, where the extra 300-500ms compared to JP latency will be the difference between being in range and not being in range according to the server.

[Fwahm]

The Paladin can swap in a Hrotti or a Gram when Wail is being readied, if they can't reliably outrange it.

[Fwahm]

Oops, wrong topic.

[ikariiiii]

Our resident RUN (/BLU) has had no issues so far tanking marjami 1-5+b with RNG set up as well, I could ask for more details aside from foil all the things if people were curious. Makes for a little flexibility if you dont have ochain/aegis PLD I suppose!

[dasva]

The Paladin can swap in a Hrotti or a Gram when Wail is being readied, if they can't reliably outrange it.

No real need though. You can almost hit 49 dt without going into the weapon/sub slot. And dark rings mdt counts as mdt and bdt so potentially 12 there.

[NynJa]

the implication that people kept their BDT+6 rings way back when...

[dasva]

Even if you didn't still no need for a weapon or shield

[Kainstryder]

I really don't understand why so many are having a problem with the harpy. Have a BRD at 50% and below focus on pianissimoing the PLD scherzo and have the healers cure them up. We've yet to have our PLD ever die to it, as long as scherzo is on. (I don't know his gear off the top of my head, but he has the best pdt/mdt sets you can think of, Burtgang, Ochain/Aegis etc, just no bdt gear afaik.) Just make sure your BRD can handle reapplying scherzo immediately when it's dispelled. We don't nuke it; our RNGs just destroy and never stop damage 100-0. We don't Overkill or anything special, just typical buffs and it melts in 2-3 mins with a 12 man set up of 4-5 RNG.

[Malithar]

It's been mentioned a number of times that it appears to be multi-hit, making Scherzo unable to absorb any of the damage. Personally, below 50% I just begin keeping a Cure V or VI cureskin on full time. MP isn't really an issue in there with proper support, and with a decent -DT set, I've yet to see the Pld die from anything. Seen it happen a number of times in the first couple of days of Delve 2 though, with Scherzo.

[feary]

I really don't understand why so many are having a problem with the harpy. Have a BRD at 50% and below focus on pianissimoing the PLD scherzo and have the healers cure them up. We've yet to have our PLD ever die to it, as long as scherzo is on. (I don't know his gear off the top of my head, but he has the best pdt/mdt sets you can think of, Burtgang, Ochain/Aegis etc, just no bdt gear afaik.) Just make sure your BRD can handle reapplying scherzo immediately when it's dispelled. We don't nuke it; our RNGs just destroy and never stop damage 100-0. We don't Overkill or anything special, just typical buffs and it melts in 2-3 mins with a 12 man set up of 4-5 RNG.

this has been my experience as a bard and my fellow ls's experiences in successful x6 6 man shout groups. /shrug, ironcally, where the one time i didnt have scherzo up in time, he died.

[Byrthnoth]

That has also been my experience. I try to keep Scherzo on the PLD for the Harpy and boss.

[Kainstryder]

That has also been my experience. I try to keep Scherzo on the PLD for the Harpy and boss.

Scherzo isn't required for the boss. A decent PLD will never, ever die to it as long as your WHM is at least 1/2 awake and knows how to cure and paralyna. If you don't remove his aura, all he does is spam Static Prison, so just cure, paralyna and repeat. You can do Shell 1-2 if they have Aegis, but it's removed every 5-10 seconds, so your WHM will be doing cure-para-shell repeat the whole fight. The most damage I've ever seen Zapdos do to a PLD has been 50% when it got lucky, otherwise, 10-15% or so.

[Yugl]

Edit: NVM

[Yeager]

I've been thinking of doing some Marjami Ravine and/or Yorcia Weald fracture. My LS does not have an Aegis PLD, but it does have a damn good Rune Fencer (me). How would a RUN tank perform in those zones? What's the recommended sub?

[Damane]

I've been thinking of doing some Marjami Ravine and/or Yorcia Weald fracture. My LS does not have an Aegis PLD, but it does have a damn good Rune Fencer (me). How would a RUN tank perform in those zones? What's the recommended sub?

imho RUN/BLU is a very decent tank. Cocoon helps alot with physical damage taken and shouldnt be an issue to keep it up and cast it with vallation fastcast etc. you could even set plantoid killer for yorcia and beast killer for kamihr as /blu which will help a bit too and various other (minor traits), but the biggest bulk comes from cocoon, MAB trait if you want to enhance your lunge damage a bit.

check traits out for /BLU up to lvl 49: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Blue_Mage_Job_Traits

[Fake]

If by very decent you mean vastly inferior to pld in every way then yes. It probably can tank the zone but it will be noticeably worse than a pld.

There is 0 reason to ever bring a run to yorcia and I imagine it would make kamihr even worse than it already is with 2rng+mnk setup.