Delve 2.0 discussion

[NynJa]

You post a theory on how to kill boss, he sayd "no it wont work". You say "yes, yes we can, if we try". You post your initital experiences consisting of '19 minute beta-test' on the first 3 NM's, which alone should tell you, your setup wont win, since if you've spent 19 minutes on the first 3 NM's, you automatically have 26 minutes for the remaining 3 NM's, which are much more difficult than the first 3.

Not liking the advice doesnt make it wrong. Once again, you're trying to fit the square peg into the round slot.

[Yeager]

You post a theory on how to kill boss, he sayd "no it wont work". You say "yes, yes we can, if we try". You post your initital experiences consisting of '19 minute beta-test' on the first 3 NM's, which alone should tell you, your setup wont win, since if you've spent 19 minutes on the first 3 NM's, you automatically have 26 minutes for the remaining 3 NM's, which are much more difficult than the first 3.

Not liking the advice doesnt make it wrong. Once again, you're trying to fit the square peg into the round slot.

What do you want me to do? Apologize for not having the OMGWTF Absolute OPTIMAL setup? We went with what we had. WTF is it with people around here persecuting others who dare post in the vaunted Delve 2.0 thread who don't do things with Aegis PLD Anni RNG Anni RNG Daurdalba/Gjallar BRD SCH WHM?

[Fake]

Enjoy failing at content that people beat on the first day it was released because of your handicap.

[Priran]

What do you want me to do? Apologize for not having the OMGWTF Absolute OPTIMAL setup? We went with what we had. WTF is it with people around here persecuting others who dare post in the vaunted Delve 2.0 thread who don't do things with Aegis PLD Anni RNG Anni RNG Daurdalba/Gjallar BRD SCH WHM?

Your RNGs don't need Annis to win Marjami delve, they're just very nice to have. But sometimes you need to realize that some setups can't win. You don't see Anni RNGs whining that there must be some way to kill Wopket with a RNG setup.

[Kainstryder]

What do you want me to do? Apologize for not having the OMGWTF Absolute OPTIMAL setup? We went with what we had. WTF is it with people around here persecuting others who dare post in the vaunted Delve 2.0 thread who don't do things with Aegis PLD Anni RNG Anni RNG Daurdalba/Gjallar BRD SCH WHM?

You realize the issue here is people have found the optimum set up for Marjami, and while yes, there may be other ways to do events that aren't PLD RNG etc, for Marjami, you are not clearing NM1-5+Boss with melee and RUN if it took you 19 mins for 1-3. Ok it was a test run, and you got lost/probably had to kill adds, etc, but what are your plans for NMs 4-5 and boss? White out on Apkallu and the wail from Harpy will end you, and I don't even wanna imagine Zapdos. There's a clear reason RNG reign in Marjami, and other zones, yes you use melee.

And yes sometimes people here can resort to immediate trashing of others, but when you come in throwing strategies around that have more than likely been proven to not work, but refuse to acknowledge it, then yes you're going to get treated harshly.

[Yeager]

You realize the issue here is people have found the optimum set up for Marjami, and while yes, there may be other ways to do events that aren't PLD RNG etc, for Marjami, you are not clearing NM1-5+Boss with melee and RUN if it took you 19 mins for 1-3. Ok it was a test run, and you got lost/probably had to kill adds, etc, but what are your plans for NMs 4-5 and boss? White out on Apkallu and the wail from Harpy will end you, and I don't even wanna imagine Zapdos. There's a clear reason RNG reign in Marjami, and other zones, yes you use melee.

And yes sometimes people here can resort to immediate trashing of others, but when you come in throwing strategies around that have more than likely been proven to not work, but refuse to acknowledge it, then yes you're going to get treated harshly.

Please, find ONE post of mine where I suggested a non-working strategy. All I did was post our setup, and how we did. We rolled with what we had. Nothing more. And the thing with the Water Spikes, that was merely an observation. We asked about it, and eventually we conducted our own testing and posted our findings. Not once did I try to pass anything I said as "official strategy."

[Fake]

"Rather than take a week of casual play to level and gear up a better setup to a fairly low minimum. I'm going to persist with my stupid setup and continue to waste imaginary internet space, all the while further polluting this already diseased forum with my irrelevance."

[Kainstryder]

Strategy as in you rolled with melee and RUN, failed, people explain, you explode on them saying OH SORRY BETTER ROLL BANDWAGON THEN.

Also if leveling jobs is too difficult, just shout for an Aegis PLD? You can roll with non relic RNGs, just make sure their gear isn't bad. With non-relics, I'd suggest 5 minimum for a 12 man set up, 3 if 6 man.

[NynJa]

Please, find ONE post of mine where I suggested a non-working strategy.

The post where you said it took you 19 minutes to clear T1-3 might be a good start.

[Yeager]

The post where you said it took you 19 minutes to clear T1-3 might be a good start.

Wow, all that is is me explaining how our run went. If you interpreted that as me trying to pass off my strategy as a working strategy, then maybe you've taken one too many shoulder checks out on the ice.

[NynJa]

Well two days ago I said your square peg strategy would fail for 2 weeks, you're on day 2 and dont seem to be any closer. At this point, you probably could have aby burned PLD to 99 by now.

[Yeager]

Strategy as in you rolled with melee and RUN, failed, people explain, you explode on them saying OH SORRY BETTER ROLL BANDWAGON THEN.

First off. I stated before that I knew we were going to fail. We were not actively trying for the win. We rolled with who we had online at the time and with me main tanking as RUN. It's not my fault you fail to understand this.

[Kainstryder]

You asked if RUN would work, it was suggested yes and no, but you still needed RNG, melee wouldn't work. You went with what you had to test it, which shows you didn't bother reading info on all the NMs, which clearly show you do not want melee on Apkallu or Harpy, let alone Zapdos because of fuck you attacks. You posted melee strat on a dry run and people explain again, I even offered a clear strategy on how to run the zone.

Also please tell me you aren't lashing out on Nynja based on his signature pic, because he must play hockey. Quickly, insult me based on I lost a war to a kid and had to have myself smuggled on a boat. Come on, and instead of picking apart those posts, explain your thoughts from my last few posts how you plan to handle Apkallu, Harpy and Zapdos with melee?

[Yeager]

Well two days ago I said your square peg strategy would fail for 2 weeks, you're on day 2 and dont seem to be any closer. At this point, you probably could have aby burned PLD to 99 by now.

Holy shit man. We're not in a hurry for win. We only wanted to see how we would do, FOR FUN! FFXI is a game, not a job. Fuck off.

[Yeager]

You asked if RUN would work, it was suggested yes and no, but you still needed RNG, melee wouldn't work. You went with what you had to test it, which shows you didn't bother reading info on all the NMs, which clearly show you do not want melee on Apkallu or Harpy, let alone Zapdos because of fuck you attacks. You posted melee strat on a dry run and people explain again, I even offered a clear strategy on how to run the zone.

Also please tell me you aren't lashing out on Nynja based on his signature pic, because he must play hockey. Quickly, insult me based on I lost a war to a kid and had to have myself smuggled on a boat. Come on, and instead of picking apart those posts, explain your thoughts from my last few posts how you plan to handle Apkallu, Harpy and Zapdos with melee?

Again, we went FOR FUN! We knew we weren't going to win. We knew we needed RNGs, they were offline. SO FUCKING WHAT!?!?!?

[NynJa]

Holy shit man. We're not in a hurry for win. We only wanted to see how we would do, FOR FUN! FFXI is a game, not a job. Fuck off.

You're right, it is a game, it is fun. Except I don't find losing fun. Perhaps we differ there, perhaps you're part of generation Y, where any criticism is defined as bullying, where kids sports dont track scores because "we want to show its about playing the game, not winning", but at the end of the day, I'd like something for my hour of playing this game, not a big "fuck you".

Winning is fun, losing is not.

[Kainstryder]

So you enjoy doing events and wasting time not being productive, knowing you will fail, just "for fun?"

Nynja pretty much summed it up.

[Yeager]

You're right, it is a game, it is fun. Except I don't find losing fun. Perhaps we differ there, perhaps you're part of generation Y, where any criticism is defined as bullying, where kids sports dont track scores because "we want to show its about playing the game, not winning", but at the end of the day, I'd like something for my hour of playing this game, not a big "fuck you".

Winning is fun, losing is not.

I'll agree that you're way more hardcore than I am. But still, that's no reason to be attacking me like this. And no, I don't think you're trying to bully me. I think you're just mis-understanding my intentions and assumed that I am as hardcore as you are.

@Kainstryder - We didn't see it as a "waste of time". Some of us got armor drops we were wanting, and we got some more Plasm. That's being productive.

[NynJa]

I'm sorry, what part of "I like to win and succeed" is classified as "hardcore"? I'm hardcore because I DONT want to try and fit the square peg in the round hole? Theres thinking outside the box to succeed, and then theres what you're doing. You're not even in the same country code, let alone area code with what you're trying to accomplish.

If anything, you're more hardcore because you're willingly tampering with the difficulty scale for no reason.

[Yeager]

I'm sorry, what part of "I like to win and succeed" is classified as "hardcore"? I'm hardcore because I DONT want to try and fit the square peg in the round hole? Theres thinking outside the box to succeed, and then theres what you're doing. You're not even in the same country code, let alone area code with what you're trying to accomplish.

If anything, you're more hardcore because you're willingly tampering with the difficulty scale for no reason.

*sigh* I give up. I'm done here. I believe I'm being trolled now. Glad you got your laugh. Enjoy your day.