Delve 2.0 discussion

[Karizo]

Anybody tried checking the JP wiki?
Not that we "need" them, but at least out of curiosity I'd love to know the "gimmicks" of all the Delve 2.0 NMs. (assuming they all have one but I don't see why not).
For instance take Hyoshia, I never seen !! over her and I really know no gimmick.
"turning around" during charm doesn't really seem one, more like a player-deployed strategy than the intended gimmick.

Or like the Bats in Yorcia. Procced them several times but I have no clue how I did that or what happens when you proc them lol

For Hyoshia, we approach it by not feeding TP when someone is charmed. This mob family attacks people regardless if people are in range, so it's easy to kite them while sleeping the charmed target. Also, make sure everyone is in different directions so only 1 gets charmed at a time.

For the bats, the procs come from the enhanced skillchain damage. When you proc them, one of the trios die until only one set is left. The TP move they use will change every time a set is lost. The TP move from losing 1 set is called Trainfall, it's just a HP absorb TP move and with 1 set left, the TP move is called Knife Edge Circle which just stuns/poisons the target. The TP moves hit harder but still nothing to make a fuss about.

As far as I can tell, the JPs aren't sure about the leveling up mechanic of Mirka either, so the JP wiki isn't much help.

[Karizo]

Just wondering which NM drops Usonmunku? Is it Morseiu or Ircinraq?

To NMs still drops weapons outside of fracture? I'm guessing lower drop rate or is it the same?

Lower drop rate. I think it's Ircinraq for Usonmunku.

[Univarsity]

Ok, we just did another Marjami run last night, I can almost confirm that spamming ice damage on the Plaguevein Bats proc'd it. Me and another mage just randomly spammed ice 1 until it eventually proc'd, anyone else care to test to confirm. cant remember if it was ice day or anything else had anything to do with it.

[Sechs]

You got me wrong Karizo, I absolutely have no issue in killing Hyoshya or any other Delve 2.0 nms.
It's just that I'm confident each monster has a "trick" to be defeated and all of us so far have been killing some NMs (Hyoshya included) without knowing the "trick".
I was curious if some more research has been done on these NMs by the JP community, for instance.

[Karizo]

You got me wrong Karizo, I absolutely have no issue in killing Hyoshya or any other Delve 2.0 nms.
It's just that I'm confident each monster has a "trick" to be defeated and all of us so far have been killing some NMs (Hyoshya included) without knowing the "trick".
I was curious if some more research has been done on these NMs by the JP community, for instance.

Oh my bad, lol. Yeah I think the main issue is that people found a way to kill them, so they don't really care about the gimmicks anymore. Like for bat, if it wasn't for the enhanced SC damage, I don't think anyone would've bothered proccing them since they're easy to begin with. Bad design I suppose.

[Treize Kordero]

Lower drop rate. I think it's Ircinraq for Usonmunku.

Ahh ok thanks alot

[pancakesandsex]

Hyoshya is stunable, so you can avoid amnesia at least

[Damane]

You got me wrong Karizo, I absolutely have no issue in killing Hyoshya or any other Delve 2.0 nms.
It's just that I'm confident each monster has a "trick" to be defeated and all of us so far have been killing some NMs (Hyoshya included) without knowing the "trick".
I was curious if some more research has been done on these NMs by the JP community, for instance.

some nms dont have one. charm lady was designed to turn when charmed. gravity sticks and bind stick all the time. this should tell you domething

[Darkmagi]

I still believe that there are unfound gimmicks, but who knows. Like there is no way the harpy was designed to be fought while doing that much damage.

[Karizo]

I still believe that there are unfound gimmicks, but who knows. Like there is no way the harpy was designed to be fought while doing that much damage.

Schrezo and -50 BDT, never seen our PLD die with those conditions fulfilled. They may have died when Schrezo get dispelled by harpy's other move, but never when those 2 conditions hold true.

A little harsh for a requirement, but entirely doable.

[Darkmagi]

Yes, but I don't believe that's the intended strategy. It's a huge pain in the ass having to use 1H or bring a SMN to not have a big death chance when I do SAM marjami.

[Karizo]

Yes, but I don't believe that's the intended strategy. It's a huge pain in the ass having to use 1H or bring a SMN to not have a big death chance when I do SAM marjami.

Well, with Marjami being the only zone that we do with PLD RNG setup, you need to give PLDs something to do =P

[Sechs]

some nms dont have one.

We haven't find one =/= don't have one
No?
Of course it's not like we worked particularly hard to find it since we've all been able to kill every nms even without the gimmicks lol.
I was just curious.

The turn around thing feels like a player deployed strategy more than the "intended" strategy that SE wanted us to use.
Either way, Hyoshya was just an example, there's many other NMs in 2.0 for which we know naft.

[Fwahm]

There were NMs in the first Delve with no gimmicks too, like the Eft.

[Damane]

There were NMs in the first Delve with no gimmicks too, like the Eft.

or peiste, had normal peiste behaviour.

[Karizo]

or peiste, had normal peiste behaviour.

Well peiste has kind of a gimmick where it can't use gaze TP moves when blinded (normal peiste behavior I suppose) and also lowers evasion (which i guess is the gimmick).

[Darkmagi]

Yeah, the pieste had one of the most obvious gimmicks.

[Sechs]

I kinda forgot about the eft, Fwahm is right.
Maybe there is a Gimmick but we never found it out (not really needed lol). I find this more likely than SE releasing a single NM without a gimmick in a content all based around gimmicks, no? Which is kinda what Delve originally meant to be I think.


Leaving this topic aside, I wonder what kind of setups do people use these days (after the latest patch) to do 5NM+MB in Kamihr.

[NynJa]

Schrezo and -50 BDT

Scherzo does nothing for its F U moves.

[Damane]

I kinda forgot about the eft, Fwahm is right.
Maybe there is a Gimmick but we never found it out (not really needed lol). I find this more likely than SE releasing a single NM without a gimmick in a content all based around gimmicks, no? Which is kinda what Delve originally meant to be I think.


Leaving this topic aside, I wonder what kind of setups do people use these days (after the latest patch) to do 5NM+MB in Kamihr.

sam(wirh a bow) mnk/run cor/nin brd whm nuker (geo or sch or blm). nuker basicly only there for boss because his aura can be a bitch to SC, pre nms a good cor can take np care of magic phases.