Delve 2.0 discussion

[dasva]

In my LS, Tree gets done a lot (or at least did before Nouveau skirmish), bird every once in a while and lion basically never. You probably aren't seeing many shouts because they are harder for scrubs.

That and the ones I see I try to get into and boy is it an adventure. No one having fought any of the nms before nor read up on any of the mechanics... and this even applies to delve 1. A few days ago joined a shark where only 1 person besides me had knew any of the mechanics and that guy only kind of knew them and no one but me had fought shark before. So like I as blm was designated to get cracklaw down to 75% instead of mnk formlessing it then no one ran up to melee so that took like 10 minutes. 4 people died to the very first doom aura. All but one melee died to the first guillotine etc. Pretty sure I was top parse

Which is probably why you end up with shouts looking for certain jobs that have done those zones on those jobs. Like my pld got told no on a lion one because I had only tanked the nms on the outside never a full run. Though one has to have to wonder how you would ever get the experience of doing something on that job if you aren't allowed to come on that job for that event without first having done it on that job lol. Oh well finishing this then moving to greener pastures

[Sephiran]

Actually it's my main and it's an Epeolatry. And yeah haven't had a solid ls that does stuff for awhile now so missing a win or 2. Now if I had been building Idris probably would have those wins as everyone seems to want geo lol. Then again from the shouts I've seen hardly anyone does T2 delve and most of them seem to be scrubs

We're all scrubs? Really Dasva? I'm offended.

In all seriousness, I want to experiment with lion boss rushes as well as melee Marjami rushes for no other reason aside from the fact that I can.

[Univarsity]

Actually it's my main and it's an Epeolatry. And yeah haven't had a solid ls that does stuff for awhile now so missing a win or 2. Now if I had been building Idris probably would have those wins as everyone seems to want geo lol. Then again from the shouts I've seen hardly anyone does T2 delve and most of them seem to be scrubs

Come to Phoenix and I'll gladly take your mythic Run in every event we do. You'll be surprised how much easier Run makes T2 delve. Just see me about a linkshell.

[Univarsity]

We're all scrubs? Really Dasva? I'm offended.

In all seriousness, I want to experiment with lion boss rushes as well as melee Marjami rushes for no other reason aside from the fact that I can.

We always melee zerg all Delve Bosses, you can win all 6 Delves without a single Rng. I just logged on here and seen messages for strategies for Delves so I'll post them when I get home as I'm writing this from my phone.

[dasva]

We're all scrubs? Really Dasva? I'm offended.

In all seriousness, I want to experiment with lion boss rushes as well as melee Marjami rushes for no other reason aside from the fact that I can.

Psh you are more than good enough to know I wasn't talking about you lol. And have some clue about what I'm talking about . I'm fairly certain we've been together in such a situation

Come to Phoenix and I'll gladly take your mythic Run in every event we do. You'll be surprised how much easier Run makes T2 delve. Just see me about a linkshell.

Actually I'm waiting on the last 2 wins to make it lol. Never realized it was needed so didn't really prioritize it especially with my general distrust of a lot of groups with some exceptions. But I already got an offer from sort of old ls that moved but I thank you for the offer. And yeah part of why I kept up with making it vice finishing burt was how nice it could be in some situations

[Sephiran]

Psh you are more than good enough to know I wasn't talking about you lol. And have some clue about what I'm talking about . I'm fairly certain we've been together in such a situation



Actually I'm waiting on the last 2 wins to make it lol. Never realized it was needed so didn't really prioritize it especially with my general distrust of a lot of groups with some exceptions. But I already got an offer from sort of old ls that moved but I thank you for the offer. And yeah part of why I kept up with making it vice finishing burt was how nice it could be in some situations

Which clears you still need? Also, this is the reason I do that {[Job A] or [Job B]} thing in my shouts is because I try to extend them to all possible jobs. I don't restrict my setups to jobs per say but to partitions of job functions. For example, I have no issues whatsoever having a SAM or DNC tank the bee, but I don't necessarily need more tanks than one. I don't say outright that SCH cannot main heal a party, and I don't mind having Tojil or Dakuwaqa with no MNK's. I've already stated earlier in this thread how you can do both without MNK. If a stray PLD or RDM asks to come along, I'll ask them to chill in the seventh slot. So if it's the lion you need, you'd be main tank. If it's the tree, you're in #7. If it's Cailimh, you're main tank again.

If there is one tip I can give to all groups trying do Delve I for the first time, it's this: Ditch the Apamajas II. You're nerfing your stuns by using it. Also, if you have no good BRD to use (read: two song BRD or not well-geared), take a seventh slot RDM.

[dasva]

Which clears you still need? Also, this is the reason I do that {[Job A] or [Job B]} thing in my shouts is because I try to extend them to all possible jobs. I don't restrict my setups to jobs per say but to partitions of job functions. For example, I have no issues whatsoever having a SAM or DNC tank the bee, but I don't necessarily need more tanks than one. I don't say outright that SCH cannot main heal a party, and I don't mind having Tojil or Dakuwaqa with no MNK's. I've already stated earlier in this thread how you can do both without MNK. If a stray PLD or RDM asks to come along, I'll ask them to chill in the seventh slot. So if it's the lion you need, you'd be main tank. If it's the tree, you're in #7. If it's Cailimh, you're main tank again.

Oh everyone asks for certain jobs. Just currently the way some shout it's rather interesting. Like only looking for brd and geo or rdm. Or must have tanked on this job in this zone shouts (or later told in tell) makes me almost want to dust off my rdm which I retired after SE hated on it for years. Anyways still need lion and tree. I've actually tanked bee on thf once. Was kind of weird and I was like wait wut when I was told I was tank but it worked.

[Sephiran]

Oh everyone asks for certain jobs. Just currently the way some shout it's rather interesting. Like only looking for brd and geo or rdm. Or must have tanked on this job in this zone shouts (or later told in tell) makes me almost want to dust off my rdm which I retired after SE hated on it for years. Anyways still need lion and tree. I've actually tanked bee on thf once. Was kind of weird and I was like wait wut when I was told I was tank but it worked.

Ummm...I was the one who made you tank the bee on THF. Remember me yelling at the RDM for debuffing Tax'et and when one of our SAM's pulled the whole zone and I had to alternate Break and Sleepga to keep it under control while stunning?

[dasva]

Ummm...I was the one who made you tank the bee on THF. Remember me yelling at the RDM for debuffing Tax'et and when one of our SAM's pulled the whole zone and I had to alternate Break and Sleepga to keep it under control while stunning?

Oh yeah. Was crazy ride but it worked lol. Then I couldn't get the brd to give me songs most the time lol

[Sephiran]

Oh yeah. Was crazy ride but it worked lol. Then I couldn't get the brd to give me songs most the time lol

If you noticed, THF was listed as {NIN, THF, BLU, DNC, MNK, or SAM}x1. The reason I accept one of the jobs from this set as tank is because they either have ranged WS's, attack twice per round, or have access to a WS that has many hits in it like Asuran Fists.

I would put PLD on the list however that opens the slot up to a bunch of PLD's who have no idea about how to Skillchain or do anything aside from superficially tank.

Another of my just-for-fun things I want to do is a beaded Wopket with GS PLDx4 as DD's. I'll have one of my friends with Fraps record it for my YouTube channel.

[dasva]

GS pld you say!?! Guess I need to make a bandwagnarok!

[Sephiran]

GS pld you say!?! Guess I need to make a bandwagnarok!

I just got mine a few weeks ago. I have neither WAR nor DRK. I have it solely for PLD. I do not regret this decision as you can pull off a number of nifty stunts with it on PLD (especially if you find yourself soloing job points in Dho Gates).

[Sephiran]

This time I bring you info on Utkux. Now, before I dive right into it, let me say that I need to test this more and that part of the support this theory has is based on testimony from other players than I.

Anyway, onto the observations. Utkux's aura is related to fire damage taken (you all knew that). The mechanics appear most similar to Dakuwaqa in that quantity seems to matter more than quality. I actually did test this out with Dakuwaqa many times. On runs where I have no /RUN's, it falls to me to nuke off the aura so I can continue to stun. I've noticed that I can spam 5k~6k nukes for a quite a while before the aura comes down and that 10 little thunder nukes in a Fast Cast set bring it down much faster than 10 MAB-set enabled nukes (two to three of which are big ones that I then regret after succumbing to the contagion of rising panic from the DD's screaming at me for loose Tidal Guillotines).

Utkux appears to work the same way. Like the shark, chains containing the appropriate attribute count towards the threshold. I did confirm that. But what I need more testing on is making sure it also works quantity over quality. Assuming that it does, T1~T5 runs may be greatly simplified with /RUN or Accession + Enfire.

[likard]

I would also like to contribute for Podarge. There are a couple of random forum posts noting high tier ice magic procs a blue !! and weakens her. My brother and I tried to test this a few different ways. We never saw a !! proc, but we did see very reduced damage TP moves.

Round 1, me on blu, brother on blm. Tried using Blizzrd 4-5 to Proc !!. Never saw it. But, while I was meleeing and he was casting, Tp moves did pitiful damage; never more than 200.

Round 2, bro as monk, me as smn. When I used shiva's ice magic abilities (blizzard 4 or heavenly strike) every chance, Podarge's TP moves did next to nothing to monk. 100-200 range. When he did all physical between tp moves, she killed him. With shiva soloing just using ice magic, the harpy never did over 200 dd with a tp move, and often did 5-9 damage. Kited/killed solo from 40% ish. We did it without any geo/brd buffs and each dualboxed whms who ran out of mp too quickly since their gear is pretty much sparks and not much else.

If someone wants to try this out with a balance of melee damage and ice magic in a real party, please let me know. I feel it is either balance melee and magic or Magic damage must be greater than WS damage. A single Victory Smite made her turn around and 3k damage to my brother, but just punching, she stayed in the 100s range.

[Sephiran]

I would also like to contribute for Podarge. There are a couple of random forum posts noting high tier ice magic procs a blue !! and weakens her. My brother and I tried to test this a few different ways. We never saw a !! proc, but we did see very reduced damage TP moves.

Round 1, me on blu, brother on blm. Tried using Blizzrd 4-5 to Proc !!. Never saw it. But, while I was meleeing and he was casting, Tp moves did pitiful damage; never more than 200.

Round 2, bro as monk, me as smn. When I used shiva's ice magic abilities (blizzard 4 or heavenly strike) every chance, Podarge's TP moves did next to nothing to monk. 100-200 range. When he did all physical between tp moves, she killed him. With shiva soloing just using ice magic, the harpy never did over 200 dd with a tp move, and often did 5-9 damage. Kited/killed solo from 40% ish. We did it without any geo/brd buffs and each dualboxed whms who ran out of mp too quickly since their gear is pretty much sparks and not much else.

If someone wants to try this out with a balance of melee damage and ice magic in a real party, please let me know. I feel it is either balance melee and magic or Magic damage must be greater than WS damage. A single Victory Smite made her turn around and 3k damage to my brother, but just punching, she stayed in the 100s range.

Here you are:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120...=1#post6203736

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120...=1#post6347988

I'll put this up on Wiki when I get time.

[Sephiran]

Hello everyone. Earlier in this thread I said I was pretty happy to see new players join this game and make the leap to challenge Delve content. I think it's cool that this 13 year old game is still getting fresh players.

More appropriate terminology would be, "I thought it was cool." With SE coming clean about pulling the plug, I don't even know if I can log in to do Delve anymore which was my favorite event of all the eight years I've been in this game. I don't even know if I want to make those videos of Delve boss PLD solos anymore, which I had been looking forward to for a long time.

Great to know that SE went from this to what they've announced now.

[dasva]

Well dead game and all but there is this neet thing

[Ramzii]

that is probably the most impressive thing i've seen done in FFXI this decade. jesus christ

[Darkmagi]

Literally the only person to ever impress me with SMN. That was entertaining to watch.

[NynJa]

When I saw the video was 11 minutes long, I was expecting some generic triple speed video. Boy was I wrong lol