Job Points discussion

[Draylo]

A waste of time in an MMO? It improves your character and is completely optional.

[Ihina]

Meh. Maybe people will get it together in another 3 or 4 pages.

[Sechs]

But anyways, let's not pretend all things are equal here. It would be nice to move on from the whining most people seem to be doing on this thread and gravitate towards something more productive. Maybe if we stop whining about how hard it is to get CP, put our heads together and think about it some more, we can find ways to make grinding a bit more efficiently?

I'm not for reasonless whining, I understand where you come from and support your approach, in general.
But in the specific case there are many, MANY things that need to be tweaked one way or another.
So from my point of view I'd rather have people whine/ignore as much as possible, because this would give more "power" to this pacific protest and SE would eventually be kinda forced to acknowledge it and do something.
If all people start to accept it and be joyfully happy about it then it means it will never be changed by SE, and I don't really want that.
Just my personal view on the thing of course.

[CDF]

Whining about whining about whining

On the continuum of tedium, maximizing CP accumulation via archaic merit-style parties sits at the "literally got nothing better to do" end.

I am perfectly fine not going out of my way to solo 7.5-8k/hr for shit that barely matters at the moment.

[Yugl]

It's difficult to discuss efficiency because there's little mobility with this system. You have to be on the job you plan to JPt, so it's not like you can say "X is the best arrangement." Furthermore, we don't know how the upcoming update will affect JPts other than chained CP. Not to mention, the lack of enthusiasm makes current farming less competitive than will actually be the case should people become interested. You may pull Xk/hr at the moment, but if competition decides to appear, you'll find yourself fighting for scraps. If you think people will leave optimal zones to reduce competition, you only have to think back to XP camp battles to see that is untrue.

[Teryu]

The biggest issue for me is that the jobs that I want to get JP for are not wanted in a traditional merit pt.

[Kohan]

If all people start to accept it and be joyfully happy about it then it means it will never be changed by SE, and I don't really want that.
Just my personal view on the thing of course.

Addressing your concerns with the company responsible is one thing, and can surely be effective. On the other hand, deliberately encouraging unproductive behavior on a private message board isn't going to be as effective, isn't going to have the same visibility, and isn't going to do much besides annoying the local forum-goers.

If you don't like the function, don't use it. Now, you might be thinking that's like the tired "If you don't like the discussion, don't read it" trope, but it's not. We're talking about a piece of software here, whose data is going to be monitored, collected, and analyzed by the company responsible. Considering, it is far more likely that Square Enix will notice when its userbase is not utilizing a recent implementation than anything else (e.g., complaining on a message board they don't own). This is especially true if it's so awful that it's turning off the casual users, as they make up the majority of their userbase, and are therefore incredibly important.

Beyond that, if you want to complain a lot, you can do so on the official boards, or you can contact Square Enix via snail mail, or you can start a surely-effective Internet poll, or do many other things. Clogging this thread with complaints will not result in the improvements you desire, though—your only benefit will probably be the ire of everyone else.

[Karbuncle]

Everyone gets their gears grinded by some little thing or another... Some more than others.

Plus, its actually been stated, though maybe not true anymore as it was some time ago, that they(SE) do read popular message boards, not just their official forums, specifically stated to include Bluegartr... so his complaints here, while not on their direct forum, are likely being seen still, as any decent big MMO developer knows that their official forums are not the only hub, and in some cases not even their biggest, for player concerns. So yeah while it'll accumulate ire from a lot of people, it would be hard not to label those people as hypocrites, as everyone knows how it feels to have some eat at your existence, illogically or not.

I get relentless complaining is tiring, but such is what you will most likely find on a FF board. Maybe its time for a "Random Complaint Thread: Balance" for the FFXI section so we can huddle all of our hate in one place :D

[Priran]

It also wouldn't be the first time SE released something in a form that was way too much work beyond most players' willingness to put up with, just to try to gauge what they were willing to put up with by player participation before they gave up. So perhaps in some small way, the more visibly I explain to people what an enormous waste of time JP in its current form is, and the fewer people who run out to get even a couple JP upgrades, the more likely it'll get nerfed hard.

[Sechs]

It also wouldn't be the first time SE released something in a form that was way too much work beyond most players' willingness to put up with, just to try to gauge what they were willing to put up with by player participation before they gave up. So perhaps in some small way, the more visibly I explain to people what an enormous waste of time JP in its current form is, and the fewer people who run out to get even a couple JP upgrades, the more likely it'll get nerfed hard.

I completely share this sentiment

[Damane]

It also wouldn't be the first time SE released something in a form that was way too much work beyond most players' willingness to put up with, just to try to gauge what they were willing to put up with by player participation before they gave up. So perhaps in some small way, the more visibly I explain to people what an enormous waste of time JP in its current form is, and the fewer people who run out to get even a couple JP upgrades, the more likely it'll get nerfed hard.

It also wouldnt be the first time they would ignore such complaints and just proceed with "just as planned". (alxendrite requirement when mythic was launched, relics, heavy plates for empys etc. etc.). The only time I can remember where they actually bulged in and addressed their number before even releasing it to the server was the 500 umbral marrow suggestion and 300 mulcibar scoria which caused a massive shitstorm.

[Sechs]

I think that in general they ignored whines (even if very sound) when they concerned a very small percentage of the player base. It's the case for Mythics and Empys and all that stuff.
In theory it shouldn't be the case for Job Points, me think. But time will tell of course.

[dasva]

It also wouldnt be the first time they would ignore such complaints and just proceed with "just as planned". (alxendrite requirement when mythic was launched, relics, heavy plates for empys etc. etc.). The only time I can remember where they actually bulged in and addressed their number before even releasing it to the server was the 500 umbral marrow suggestion and 300 mulcibar scoria which caused a massive shitstorm.

Well they said part of the reason they didn't adjust alex was because they were watching lots of people get alex... it wasn't till later they realized it was thru cheating

[Priran]

It also wouldnt be the first time they would ignore such complaints and just proceed with "just as planned". (alxendrite requirement when mythic was launched, relics, heavy plates for empys etc. etc.). The only time I can remember where they actually bulged in and addressed their number before even releasing it to the server was the 500 umbral marrow suggestion and 300 mulcibar scoria which caused a massive shitstorm.

They didn't touch alex at mythic launch because they didn't realize people were duping it, they didn't touch relics during 64-man dynamis era because they were meant to be the pinnacle of achievement, and they did touch HMPs not by reducing the amount needed but by adding pouches.

[Byrthnoth]

They did reduce Alexandrite from 50k to 30k after launch.

[Priran]

They did reduce Alexandrite from 50k to 30k after launch.

Man, I totally forgot about that. 30k was still nuts at the time for anyone who wasn't cheating, but I digress.

[Byrthnoth]

30k was nuts even for people who were cheating. It would be like asking for 30,000 Beitetsu if there was a 24 hour lockout on Delve.

[Kohan]

Everyone gets their gears grinded by some little thing or another... Some more than others.

Plus, its actually been stated, though maybe not true anymore as it was some time ago, that they(SE) do read popular message boards, not just their official forums, specifically stated to include Bluegartr... so his complaints here, while not on their direct forum, are likely being seen still, as any decent big MMO developer knows that their official forums are not the only hub, and in some cases not even their biggest, for player concerns. So yeah while it'll accumulate ire from a lot of people, it would be hard not to label those people as hypocrites, as everyone knows how it feels to have some eat at your existence, illogically or not.

I get relentless complaining is tiring, but such is what you will most likely find on a FF board. Maybe its time for a "Random Complaint Thread: Balance" for the FFXI section so we can huddle all of our hate in one place :D

They do read BlueGartr and other sites occasionally, yes. They don't have a substantial social department, though, and don't conduct significant analysis of player feedback outside of their specific circle. If they did, every developer answer you saw wouldn't be strictly related to something that was asked on the official forums.

People can be unhappy, but they can also do something productive in response to that unhappiness, or not. Whether someone reads these forums or not does not mean that complaining incessantly here is going to be more effective than what you do in-game, or on their official forums. That is never going to be true.

Generally, people gather here to vent a little, but to then move on and substantiate the wealth of knowledge available to the playerbase, and to do so as accurately as possible. That is more in the spirit of this website. On the other hand, just complaining to complain—while also being something that BG is known for, though mostly to people who don't use it—isn't going to amount to much of anything.

(Drama is another thing entirely, and good drama can and should always exist, because there are few things I love more than laughing at terrible people.)

[NynJa]

Well they said part of the reason they didn't adjust alex was because they were watching lots of people get alex... it wasn't till later they realized it was thru cheating

And yet everyone insisted the triple drops had no negative bearing on mythics.

[dasva]

And yet everyone insisted the triple drops had no negative bearing on mythics.

They didn't if you were the ones getting the triple drops