Job Points discussion

[Toth]

Where is the best solo SMN camp? Woh?

[Byrthnoth]

I started resummoning Kupipi when she runs out of MP and now I'm getting about 90k CP/hr solo. harharhar, job point are hard.

Yessss going to cast 1% faster while under the effects of Subtle Sorcery.

[Sechs]

Mind sharing the setup you're using?
I was doing Styrges (big roc-like birds) in Marjami on BRD/NIN and despite using the RoE appropriate trial, I couldn't get to 30k/hr.
I was tracking with your addon.
Or rather should I say: I WAS breaking 30k (like 35 or something) but it went down with time as I had to re-apply songs to my party. Also, from time to time chains were breaking because of mobs not repopping fast enough (I wasn't killing the ones on the way to the WKR btw, but those west-side of the map).

I'm really curious about how there can be such a huge difference.

[Sechs]

Oh yeah, double campaign. So that 90k is actually 45k. Were you using Dedication? Because if you were, then it would be even less.
And I don't think JP being "hard" ever was the point, not even remotely.
More about it being "boring" and "excessively grindy", or simply "annoying", especially for some jobs much more than others.

[geno3302]

Oh yeah, double campaign. So that 90k is actually 45k. Were you using Dedication? Because if you were, then it would be even less.
And I don't think JP being "hard" ever was the point, not even remotely.
More about it being "boring" and "excessively grindy", or simply "annoying", especially for some jobs much more than others.

Considering the damage BLM can put out with T1/2 nukes and mythic, I assume the 90k/hr is just double CP. As I said, I was getting 50k/hr on SMN and it takes me 2 BPs to kill an Acuex in woh gates. I use shiva because i'm 5/5 on heavenly strike but i'm told you don't need as much m.acc with ifrit

For jobs that can't kill mobs in 3 nukes, like BRD/NIN, you'll likely get better CP/hr doing lower level mobs.

Edit: Most CP i've gotten from 1 mob during this campaign is 1190 (no ring) I forget what chain it was

[Byrthnoth]

I was running around on BLM/RDM spamming Blizzard/Fire III 3-shotting Acuexes and 4~5-shotting Leeches. It's all about the metagame for me, though. I've pushed 100k/hr, but I have to manually unsummon/resummon Kupipi at the right time (so I don't break chain) to get that much.

My BRD/DNC hit 30k/hr (without campaign) in the Morimar Ravine near #3 with Prishe and the 2 WHM tarus. Songs were March/March/Min/Ballad.

[Sechs]

Geno, 50k/hr base? Or during the double CP campaign? (i.e. 25k/hr base)
Either way, don't wanna sound bad towards Byrth (whom I deeply respect and admire), but if that 90k/hr requires a Laevateinn BLM to be achieved, it sounds a bit moot of a point to "prove" something about which people never even whined about (job points being "hard").
It kinda sounds more like bragging, than anything else.

Or maybe I'm getting something wrong, I don't know...



Btw I didn't do much testing with JP solo. Once with RUN, didn't parse but it was horrid. Must have been something like 15k if not even lower. (was killing stuff North of Frontier Station in Foret De Hennetiel).
I went back there on BRD/NIN, with trusts, and I was getting something horrendous, I don't remember but it surely was under 20k, more like 15k again probably.
Then tried again on BRD/NIN killing Styrges and making use of the RoE thing (which also gives 100CP when you complete it) and at start the cp/hr was >35k/hr, but it slowly fell down as I had to refresh my buffs/songs and as I had to wait for mobs repop at the end of a chain (which ended at... I forgot, something like 11?). At the end of the session I was @ something like 27k/hr, maybe a bit lower.
Btw only the CP chain was ending, appearently the time I had to wait for repop was small enough to keep the XP chain going.

I'll try again in Morimar close to #3. Initially I chose Marjami because:
1) it should have higher level mobs than Morimar (so higher CP)
2) those targets are weak to piercing, and in my pt I was using Aldo and Lion, so I could get advantage from the additional piercing damage.
It kinda sucked that there weren't enough birds though (or that I was killing too fast, w/e).

[Byrthnoth]

Don't get me wrong, it's totally bragging. I've been playing the FFXI metagame optimizing different programmatic farming strategies for job points and have hit upon BLM as my current champion. I think there's still room for improvement, too. I have easily enough MP to mix in Tier 4 spells and keep chain, but currently I don't have that behavior modeled.

The bad part is that I'm probably going to max out on BLM job points before I finish optimizing my code, lol.

[geno3302]

50k with double CP, so 25k normally. In Ceizak I think I get around 10-13k/hr. The Acuex are a pain in the ass but it is a lot more CP. They have less than 20k HP and they're quite weak to magic so a BLM will tear through them a lot faster than I can on SMN. Mythic will obviously help a lot, but I bet you can get quite close to 90k/hr w/o it.

[Sechs]

@Byrth
I wouldn't worry about that, they're gonna raise the cap to 20 soon! (well "soon"... lol)


@Geno
Sounds realistical and not too far off from what I've been getting
Anyway as a whole the JP situation is slowly getting better (think about lowmanning with 2 people and 3 trusts) but imho we're still far away from where the system should be. Hope we'll get there sooner than later.

[geno3302]

@Byrth
I wouldn't worry about that, they're gonna raise the cap to 20 soon! (well "soon"... lol)


@Geno
Sounds realistical and not too far off from what I've been getting
Anyway as a whole the JP situation is slowly getting better (think about lowmanning with 2 people and 3 trusts) but imho we're still far away from where the system should be. Hope we'll get there sooner than later.

That's the issue right there. I think 80-100k/hr w/o double CP is fine, people just don't want to PT anymore. I was shocked when I asked people if they want to make a CP PT the other day since we'd get 160-200k/hr with double CP and basically no one cared~

[Sechs]

Don't tell me... I've been trying to do pts (even small, relaxed pts! wasn't even aiming for the hard stuff in gates...) for weeks, but couldn't get ANYBODY. Not even in my shell.
People would rather idle semi-afl in Adoulin saying they're bored 'cause nothing to do, instead of doing a small pt for JP.
And then complain they miss merits to buy KIs.
Makes perfect sense inorite?

But still, wether this is right or wrong, if you can't change it (and there's only so much SE can do to try to "force" it into players' habits) then they need to be the ones to change things to suit this new player-base.
I still hope that SE will finally convince people to change their minds somehow but... If the prophet doesn't go to the mountain, then the mountain needs to go to the prophet! Or something!

[geno3302]

Only thing I think needs to change is the CP awarded in delve. You should walk out of a delve run with 10k CP or more imo.

[Sechs]

Saying that's the "only" thing that should be changed is a bit of a stretch
1) Chain rates (compared to XP rates)
2) overall CP gain (the double cp currently ongoing should be the base!)
3) All and I mean ALL adoulin content should give CP (all reives! assignments!)
4) Higher CP from Delve (like you said)
5) Merit > CP exchange, at a reasonable rate (15merit = 1jp or something?)

[dasva]

I've seen a couple of CP pt shouts but have always been JPs doing the shouting. The thing that gets me is though how you either can only farm for a short time or you end up overcapping your merits and sparks

[Sechs]

For merits things will get better, slightly, with the upcoming cap at 15 (even though you'll have to "buy" that cap with merits lol)
For spark uhm... if you start at 0 it would take quite a big time to reach 50k spark, unless you get a pretty favourable "daily" RoE I guess.
Still, I'd imagine it should normally take you much more to go 0-50k Sparks than 0-30 merits?

[dasva]

Yeah you should cap merits first if you had 0 sparks... but you might not zero it out each time especially if you are saving them for like +1 pages or just forget to zero them out ahead of time. Either way one or the other would make you want to leave after not farming CP for that long and spend time on spending those

[Malithar]

I've seen a couple of CP pt shouts but have always been JPs doing the shouting. The thing that gets me is though how you either can only farm for a short time or you end up overcapping your merits and sparks

Same, gone on a few of the Japanese shouts for em. I like their parties better really. They seem to take pretty much whatever, and we end up keeping people alive with Blu, Geo, Smn, etc, while the only NA JP group I've done was a staunch Whm, Brd, Cor, 3x heavy DD. Not representative of the whole of course, but that's just been my experience with groups for it. With them being tied to individual jobs, I'd imagine most just don't want to bother with strict setups.

[Lyramion]

It depends, when JPs go do Woh gates they often want some specific Jobs. On Doh gates or less they usually dont care.

[Warusha]

I was running around on BLM/RDM spamming Blizzard/Fire III 3-shotting Acuexes and 4~5-shotting Leeches. It's all about the metagame for me, though. I've pushed 100k/hr, but I have to manually unsummon/resummon Kupipi at the right time (so I don't break chain) to get that much.

My BRD/DNC hit 30k/hr (without campaign) in the Morimar Ravine near #3 with Prishe and the 2 WHM tarus. Songs were March/March/Min/Ballad.

I haven't used trust too much but the idea is to use spaekona's body, run around engaged and let the NPC cure you? Speaking of code optimization, I look forward to your completion