Job Points discussion

[Ophannus]

Anyone know where there are ilvl 116-118 Twitheryms? I've been soloing 114-115 Fluturini and Restless Twitheyrm in G-6 of Outer Raz'kanar because its a spacious room full of only non aggro/non linking mobs that are weak to piercing and don't have any bad TP moves. I think I can do a bit better though, only getting 1800-2500 EXP and about 230-300ish CP per kill. I think with new gear and WS updates I can probably do a few ilvls higher(my WS take off 60-70% of their HP) but not sure where. I tried Twitheryms in Woh Gates and they trounced me because they were 128 and had jesus evasion.

[Fwahm]

There aren't any. The only mobs in Rakaznar above 115 are Ironclads and Dullahans.

[Ihina]

Without ring.

I would love a video of that if you could be bothered with it one day.

If you were anyone else, I would have already called BS.

Right now, I clear 40 mobs every 4.5 minutes, which is about 533 mobs per hour, which is also 55-60k/hr, but I need a puller and I use AOEs. Getting about the same amount (albeit w/trust) is rather impressive, notably because you use single target nukes.

[Ophannus]

There aren't any. The only mobs in Rakaznar above 115 are Ironclads and Dullahans.

I meant perhaps in another zone? Like a gates zone or something?

[Hitou]

Can try Woh Gates but I don't know if they raised the level of them there. There's twitherym in all of the gates zones so probably would be best to just go in and /check them to see what they con.

[dasva]

They raised the level of all Woh mobs a ton. Everything in there I think is over 120 now. Dho gates also had it's levels raised a bit but they were already a lot lower so they might be more doable. Last time I went thru there I believe the mobs were checking EM-T for most part in full 119 gear. There are twits there as well as bat trio/single

[Lyramion]

Woh is like 124-126

[Fwahm]

Dho is 121-123, IIRC.

[Prothescar]

http://www.ffxidb.com/search?q=twitherym

list of every zone they're in

[Prothescar]

COR roll seems pretty substantial for CP. Getting 450~670 per kill right now at chain 25 on lv121~123 mobs in Dho with an 11 COR roll and three PCs in the party. Interested to see what Woh goes up to now

[Sechs]

Can anybody suggest any good camp in Dho Gates for a small party?

[Prothescar]

H-9, H-10

[Viar]

COR roll seems pretty substantial for CP. Getting 450~670 per kill right now at chain 25 on lv121~123 mobs in Dho with an 11 COR roll and three PCs in the party. Interested to see what Woh goes up to now

That's with CP ring?

[Prothescar]

no

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, XI Corsair's Roll should be +34% XP/CP with the +5 ring.

[Sechs]

That worked out well, nice spot! Thanks Prothescar.
Could activate 2x RoEs at that spot (Velkk Magus and the Tarichucks).

Anybody got a camp for Woh Gates as well?

[Ophannus]

Man its annoying to get a job point party going. Everyone wants to merit in misreaux not realizing doh gates gives like 4k exp per kill as well as cp/jp. Shouted for an hour trying to find people and theres pretty much no interest, just people soloing on blm sch or pld in marjami or in gates on acuexes.

[Lyramion]

Man its annoying to get a job point party going. Everyone wants to merit in misreaux not realizing doh gates gives like 4k exp per kill as well as cp/jp. Shouted for an hour trying to find people and theres pretty much no interest, just people soloing on blm sch or pld in marjami or in gates on acuexes.

Well it' more like in aby ppl gradually go afk till the PT is carried by 2-3 ppl and having 12+ zombies. Can't do that in Gates PTs.

[Sechs]

So finally I had my first XP/CP pt yesterday, after months of trying to assemble one.
Premise: after so many years without old style merit pts, I really had lots of fun
Here's the setup I used:

Spoiler: show

It was with PUG people except me and another guy, so I wasn't really expecting "stellar" results.
Setup was:
2x SAM/WAR
1x BLU
1x BRD/WHM
1x SCH/RDM (me)
1x COR

Cor Was using Chaos and COR roll, BRD was using Marchx2 and Madrigal, no clue what food DDs were using but I saw one of them eat a marinara pizza +1.
The camp was fantastic and stuff in there was way easier than I expected, easier than stuff was on IT camps at level 75. Gonna try Woh Gates next time.
According to Pointwatch we got to ~100k CP/hr without rings (a bit less actually) and dunno how much XP/HR, something like 550k.
By the time I was capped at 45 merits I had gathered something uhm.... bit less than 2 Job Points?

Despite all the tweaks they did since the initial release of the Job Points system, I still think we're not where the system should be.
The XP:CP ratio is way off, wether you need them or not, it feels bad to waste merit points to keep getting CP, and it's annoying if you decide to warp back to spend them so often.

I can understand them wanting a long time system that you don't cap a few weeks after a patch is released, which is what's happening for Merit Points atm which are way too fast, but after spoiling people with abyssea for so long they can't really change direction too much now.
But there needs to be a better balance than the current one.
Better base CP gain.
Some ideas:

1) Bonus to CP when in a 6men pt instead of a reduction
2) Double CP that we saw during campaigns should be the base ratio
3) Some new addition to the system, like convert a % of your XP/LP/MP into CP/JP or something

This will be even more necessary once they uncap the current 10 JP per category limit.

[Damane]

i am not sure why you are comparing CP to XP gain ratio, 2 different systems. They said they are gonna ease CP accumulation later on gradually when they add more job points stuff so people can catch up.