Relic / Atma / Zodiac / Novus / Nexus Weapon information

[Niiro]

Pretty sure the idea is that relics (and all their upgrades/paths/etc) and such will always be the 2nd best weapons behind drops from the hardest content (coil V1, now coil V2).

Which seems fine to me (not referring to the method they chose for relic progression mind you, fuck this atma shit).

[AkirraKrylon]

Pretty sure the idea is that relics (and all their upgrades/paths/etc) and such will always be the 2nd best weapons behind drops from the hardest content (coil V1, now coil V2).

Which seems fine to me (not referring to the method they chose for relic progression mind you, fuck this atma shit).

Not if they design it in such a way that the final relic version will require a coil II or coil III boss drop to finish the quest. It could then be better than High Allagan or whatever else considering you need to beat Coil II/III AND sink all that time into atma/myth tomes/challenge logs...

[Detzu]

Yeah, I'm having a really hard time justifying spending my time on this crap.

No one is forced to farm. But, you can't really justify to not farm it because you are making gils or looking for levi ex weapon or even high allagan.
You don't want to farm it cause it's' boring and frustrating isn't it?

[AkirraKrylon]

No one is forced to farm. But, you can't really justify to not farm it because you are making gils or looking for levi ex weapon or even high allagan.
You don't want to farm it cause it's' boring and frustrating isn't it?

I wouldn't mind doing the low level FATEs if there were some indication of progress. Doing fate after fate after fate with no visible progress is the frustrating part.

They could have said - East Shroud: 0/1,000 FATEs. Complete 1,000 to get Atma of the Goat and the entire system would be so much better. People want to see progress, not just RNG maybe it'll take 1 fate maybe it'll take 2,000.

[Lyall]

I just tried to think of it as farming seals to take advantage of ventures/philo mats while working on the FATE achievements. Small consolation, though, since I got lucky.

[Jem]

I wouldn't mind doing the low level FATEs if there were some indication of progress. Doing fate after fate after fate with no visible progress is the frustrating part.

They could have said - East Shroud: 0/1,000 FATEs. Complete 1,000 to get Atma of the Goat and the entire system would be so much better. People want to see progress, not just RNG maybe it'll take 1 fate maybe it'll take 2,000.

That is pretty much it. I'm up to 32 hours with 6 atmas but it's been 12 hours since my last drop. No progress despite plenty of time and effort is just an awful experience.

There's people who have gotten all 12 in less time than it took for 0 > 1 for me. Ditto for 6 > 7.

They will obviously up the drop rate or ease the requirements at some point but doesn't make it any less of a kick in the balls now. If I didn't have to PUG Levi EX and Coil, I'd just sack off this quest but it's basically my only option right now

[Cloudius]

Any1 had to do the "Heroes of the 2nd" fate for their trials? Does this even pop?

[Cutriss]

Any1 had to do the "Heroes of the 2nd" fate for their trials? Does this even pop?

Going off memory, isn't this in Southern Thanalan? I know I've seen it.

[Cloudius]

Going off memory, isn't this in Southern Thanalan? I know I've seen it.

Yea sorry I should have mentioned that, XIVDB says it pops between the bridges near the Amalj'aa beast tribe. http://xivdb.com/?fate/424/Heroes-of-the-2nd

I stood there for almost 2 hours this morning and now been here for 30mins.

[Kaslo]

Oh I've seen that, killed some of the mobs for Amalja dailies a few months back. It pops but hella random.

[Classikmage]

Any1 had to do the "Heroes of the 2nd" fate for their trials? Does this even pop?

I actually did it a couple of hours ago for my second book while knocking out 10 Tempered Gladiators off the Hunting Log part. It spawns on the lower of the 2 bridges, no boss, just a bunch of Almaljaa trash. I just set my map to that area while I killed, popped when I was 7/10.

[Shenrien]

The dream is aaaaalliiivvvveeee

[Raldo]

People seem to be spreading the rumor that tonight's maint is to patch atma drop rates, among other things. I don't see any source for that, so I'm highly skeptical. Any weight to their claim?

[BerenTebogo]

Despite massive bitching and moaning, everything I've seen so far seems to support a 2-4% drop rate. Yes, RNG can and will fuck you. But anyone who says they've gone 200+ fates without an atma drop is lying or in the wrong zone, let alone people saying "I've done thousands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I don't see why they'd patch it. Kinda hoping they don't.

Also, the method people are using for chronicling their atma time is so god damn silly. I spent about 7 hours total in Bentbranch getting my last atma. That doesn't mean I did 7 hours of fates. I probably did 50-60 fates because it was a bitch to get, but out of every hour I was probably only active in a fate for 20-30 minutes? If you're spending 15 minutes per fate soloing on PLD or something just come back later ffs.

[Judai]

Despite massive bitching and moaning, everything I've seen so far seems to support a 2-4% drop rate. Yes, RNG can and will fuck you. But anyone who says they've gone 200+ fates without an atma drop is lying or in the wrong zone, let alone people saying "I've done thousands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, I don't get it either. Way too much bitching for something so many have finished in a week. Seriously, a week. I get the bitching that they wish it wasn't so rng based and was more, XXX number of FATEs or something but gimme a break. It's easy as hell to do, just takes time.

[Eldelphia]

I'm trying very hard not to drive myself nuts. So far I've gotten 2 atma by not farming more than 20-45 mins in one go. Been out 4 times and intend to keep doing the same rather than go nuts.

[Quicklet]

Given how long people can go without a drop at a 2-4% rate (I'm inclined to think it's closer to 2% from the numbers, albeit limited, I've seen), I think if they want to keep the system like it is they need to bump the drop rates closer to 10%. If that's too high, they need to make it non-RNG based and just make it take 30-50 fates per atma drop. It's just flat out bad design, and people are minimizing just how bad it is because they want to feel good about having invested so much time into it. For most people, books are going to be the majority of the time spent per weapon, but I haven't heard anyone complaining about the timesink for those because it's not RNG based (beyond waiting for certain fates to spawn) and you see progress along the way. Five minute Brayflox runs also help.

[blowfin]

I'm trying very hard not to drive myself nuts. So far I've gotten 2 atma by not farming more than 20-45 mins in one go. Been out 4 times and intend to keep doing the same rather than go nuts.

Yep, I've just been wedging fates in between the day-to-day stuff I've been doing. I honestly don't see the point in grinding it hard, I'd rather avoid the boredom, and my Zeniths are just fine for the moment. My first Atma came from doing a single FATE while I was waiting for a PF coil group to get ready. Kind of nice multitasking it with the Beastmen quests too, that's going to be the plan until the Atmas from those zones show up.

[Prothescar]

tbh atma/animus weapons are just for completionism atm. wouldn't be surprised if you could have a good shot at levi i100 weapons by the time you manage to animus a relic. sure some of them, like gae bolg and thyrus, have better i100 stats... but fuck, the grind.

[blowfin]

tbh atma/animus weapons are just for completionism atm. wouldn't be surprised if you could have a good shot at levi i100 weapons by the time you manage to animus a relic. sure some of them, like gae bolg and thyrus, have better i100 stats... but fuck, the grind.

My thoughts exactly, my timeline for completing two upgrades is next patch. If I haven't gotten an equivalent i100 from another source by then something is seriously wrong.

Firmly believe this was supposed to be approached casually, but for some reason the door got opened for it to be grindable 24/7.