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[Sho]

In the same boat here, except I have about 75 days left of sub. I got an additional 3 months shortly before 2.2 hit (so I could have the awesome Behemoth mount) and tbh if 2.2 hit before my renewal I wouldn't have resubbed. Update 2.2 feels pretty lame to me overall. Can't motivate myself to any of this RNG bullshit (and not just talking about atma). I kinda wish I could put those 75 days on hold and use them when 2.25 or 2.3 comes around to see if it gets any better. Oh well, at least the sub is off auto-renewal. SE will have to amaze me with 2.25 or 2.3 if they want me to resub.

You'll be back. Better if you just get away from the gaame for about 2 weeks, lol.

[vrumpt]

To be honest, all the rewards from any content in this patch are pretty lackluster imo (hence my lack of motivation to do any of it). The only thing that remained the same is Coil, including the shit rng.

But your advice for people basically is: stfu, do Coil once a week with a lockout and rng (weapon item only drops once for 8 people, so still rng for lotting, assuming you have a set it could still be 8 weeks before you see one), rinse and repeat next week? So basically what we have been doing since 2.0? And here I thought 2.2 was supposed to give more stuff to do (/end obvious sarcasm).

Welcome to vertical progression endgame. Enjoy your stay.

[Shenrien]

To be honest, all the rewards from any content in this patch are pretty lackluster imo (hence my lack of motivation to do any of it). The only thing that remained the same is Coil, including the shit rng.

But your advice for people basically is: stfu, do Coil once a week with a lockout and rng (weapon item only drops once for 8 people, so still rng for lotting, assuming you have a set it could still be 8 weeks before you see one), rinse and repeat next week? So basically what we have been doing since 2.0? And here I thought 2.2 was supposed to give more stuff to do (/end obvious sarcasm).

I think you are shedding more tears over this than when Usukane got replaced.

[Sephiroth]

I see grinding Leviathan for a mirror as worse than atma farming. Sure it's more fun because it's level appropriate content but if drop rate is 1 in 40 and all 8 in the party want it that's 320 Leviathan kills on average for all 8 people to get one. And that's a static party. Good luck getting that via PF, you'll need it. I'm sure someone will say they got it via PF but that's just RNG playing nice. It could just as easily be your thousandth kill.

Coil 2 is also a nightmare to get a weapon from, though it is the best option if you know some good players to static with. Unfortunately most don't so atma becomes the only realistic weapon they can go for. Everyone wants a shiny new weapon and the grind is just frustrating people to the point of quitting.

I got my 12 and I'm not complaining too much about the myth but waiting for these FATEs to pop is retarded. You can't do anything but stand there and wait, and they seem to be rare pops. I must have missed my FATE in Coerthas while on a roulette because the people waiting for it next to me had gone when I came out. I've heard of people waiting hours for these FATEs.

[Appie]

You'll be back. Better if you just get away from the gaame for about 2 weeks, lol.

Always somebody who says I'll be back. I didn't even quit yet, i still have a sub, might as well use some of it. So far there is only a feeling I might quit due to the current state of the patch. If I actually quit I won't be broadcasting that here. I don't see what 2 weeks is going to change, if anything I'd be better off skipping a whole patch cycle (3 months). And all I said in my first post here was that I wished that cycle skip was now for me. Will wait and see if I want to skip next patch cycle or not, so far it is set to skip.

Welcome to vertical progression endgame. Enjoy your stay.

I know and I am saying there isn't enough vertical progression. Or rather: what is there is not spread out enough. Turn 6-8 already got cleared within a week after patch. Sure, it's the awesome BG FC, but it still says something. If you have the skill, ilvl90 with allagan weapon is adequate for current BiS content. Anything in terms of gear upgrades from there, just make the BiS content easier. If you going to bother with ilvl100 in the same patch, make it worth the effort to get, actually needing it to do the i110 content, now you can basically skip it, just like DL was enough for Coil in 2.0, but there we didn't even have i80 gear available.

I think you are shedding more tears over this than when Usukane got replaced.

I remember being pissed about Usukane not dropping and mentioning it here, relics being made useless with Empyrean WS, but could you tell where I emo'd that Usukane got outdated? (feel free to make me eat my words with a direct quote of such a thing) I rather liked the full package of Abyssea myself, even made an Empyrean because I had so much fun in it and relic was still being shit tier (can't beat it? Join it). MNK AF3 was fuckin awesome in looks and stats, so I can't imagine when I shitted on Tantra because of Usukane.

[vrumpt]

I know and I am saying there isn't enough vertical progression. Or rather: what is there is not spread out enough. Turn 6-8 already got cleared within a week after patch. Sure, it's the awesome BG FC, but it still says something. If you have the skill, ilvl90 with allagan weapon is adequate for current BiS content. Anything in terms of gear upgrades from there, just make the BiS content easier. If you going to bother with ilvl100 in the same patch, make it worth the effort to get, actually needing it to do the i110 content, now you can basically skip it, just like DL was enough for Coil in 2.0, but there we didn't even have i80 gear available.

No. No. That says nothing. First off, BG has full i90 melded gear, they aren't using 2.1 BiS gear. Second, can you clear turns 6-8 in a week of entering coil 2 for the first time? I didn't think so. World first progression means diddly squat to you and me, other than people's soap operas of watching progression got cut short. Thirdly, t9 has yet to be killed, so obviously something is stopping groups from getting it and its probably gear.

[Appie]

Wow... 1 whole turn needing the new gear... yeah that makes it so much better. Assuming it also comes with a rage timer, that's 13 minutes of content where i100 would shine?

And it doesn't matter if I can clear it or not, the fact is, it has been cleared. This isn't Salvage frogs or Absolute Virtue we are talking about, where shit wasn't figured out for months or years. World's firsts matter in the grand scheme of things, the sooner it is figured out the sooner it becomes easier for the rest of the server.

@below oh yea I am crying so hard, toss me a tissue man.

[Lucavi]

Let the boy cry his tears, Vrumpt. He'll feel better after he lets it all out.

[Indomitable Will]

If you have the skill...blah

that says something about a lot of different things really, there are still people that blow balls at titan HM and EX, even with full echo buffs, gear is not the issue, really, ever. most content in most games is 100% about skill....there was a guy a loooong time ago solo'ing stuff on rdm in ffxi that people still couldn't solo with gear twice as good and 24 levels higher.

[FHT]

Its funny how stupid people like Lucavi & Vrumpt like to say "stop crying" when they disagree with someone's opinion. You two clearly aren't educated. You like how the game goes and thats good for you we're happy to hear it, now learn some respect toward the people who dislike it & voice their opinion.

Also don't get shits wrong, its not quiting over the atma system, its quiting over the whole RNG system, which can take any form in this game, including CT/Coil/Primals/atmas. People have a right to get tired of these when they see their FC/LS/Friends advance further when giving a lesser amount of work. Shit is just stupid.

[vrumpt]

Its funny how stupid people like Lucavi & Vrumpt like to say "stop crying" when they disagree with someone's opinion. You two clearly aren't educated. You like how the game goes and thats good for you we're happy to hear it, now learn some respect toward the people who dislike it & voice their opinion.

The fucking irony here is golden.

[Narol]

I see grinding Leviathan for a mirror as worse than atma farming. Sure it's more fun because it's level appropriate content but if drop rate is 1 in 40 and all 8 in the party want it that's 320 Leviathan kills on average for all 8 people to get one. And that's a static party. Good luck getting that via PF, you'll need it.

This is just being nitpicky, but it's about the same anyway, since 1/40 to drop and 1/8 to win the lot, assuming the other 7 consistently need on it.

Still horrible though, especially because the ridiculously heavy RNG dependency means some people are going to get it nigh instantly and some people are going to be out in the cold forever.

[Obsidian]

Complaining about randomness in XIV after having played XI for however long you people did is mind-blowing.

[gaogaostegosaurus]

The fucking irony here is golden.

I laughed too. You know, the ha ha ha, ha, haaaaaah... kind.

Edit: and I get how RNG ain't super fun, but what's up with the complaining about RNG for gear, then complaining about how anyone with enough skill can basically see the very final raid encounter without said gear, and how is that different from any other MMO ever.

[Akiyama]

I complained hard over the atma bit but that was because i was frustrated. I fought it out and went along my way, grinding them here and there, finished it finally, and now I'm farming Brayflox for them myths. Shit happens.

People who complain about 'paying only to never see atma' sure are spoiled in this day in age, though. Some people played "BACK IN MAH DAY YO" of Lineage 1, paying for a subscription and cheering over 1% exp you earned every.. day or two. ._. So this grind is just more 'bleh whatever' than it is grindy. I just..stopped thinking about it while doing it and the pain was less apparent for me anyway. :< Sorry some are struggling. I feeleth thy pain.

Also lol at quitting over 'RNG'.. welcome to every MMO..ever in the past while? Congrats. You don't do set amount of content and magically earn your gear like the easymode myth/darklight shit.

And to think some people actually miss FFXI, yet those same people bitch over RNG. ripriprip.

[Ezek]

People tend to look at FFXI with extreme nostalgia glasses so it's not all that surprising (same shit happens with EQ). I haven't even bothered to look at Atmas, but judging from the amount of complaining it's probably best that I not give a fuck about it and just hope Twintania decides to drop a WHM cane before I die of old age.

[Prothescar]

All my group ever gets is WHM staves. I'll trade for a PLD sword

[Obsidian]

There was far more egregious shit in XI than Atmas. Temenos/Apollyon, Salvage, Sea in general, ZNMs, HNMs, Voidwatch and Einherjar to name a few.

[Edelweiss]

[Shenrien]

I know people who cried tears of joy after going almost 6 months without seeing a single pair of 35 usukane feet drop.