Relic / Atma / Zodiac / Novus / Nexus Weapon information

[Raldo]

the only thing tho is many peep will QQ how new jobs can start right at IL135 step and old job gotta assbacktrack...

The way I understand it is that every job will start from scratch in the expansion. No one's going to have to backtrack unless they want a particular relic skin for glamour purposes.

[Taint]

Calling it now:

The new "Relic" will require 3 weeks of Tomes unless you have the Zeta, then you can skip the tomes.

This will give current Zeta holders 3 weeks of Tomes for other items and make non Zeta holders save up Tomes (before or after 3.1)

Zeta gets thrown a bone and the bitching will be a small mumble.

[Arthars]

The way I understand it is that every job will start from scratch in the expansion. No one's going to have to backtrack unless they want a particular relic skin for glamour purposes.

ZW already stated to be continued in 3.1 tho, so existing job doesnt need to start from stretch for sure

only question is how new jobs gotta kick off their new relics

[Raldo]

ZW already stated to be continued in 3.1 tho, so existing job doesnt need to start from stretch for sure

only question is how new jobs gotta kick off their new relics

That'd be the first I've heard this, granted I don't follow every interview that comes out. Source?

All I recall on the topic is him saying something like "Don't worry Zodiac wielders, you won't be forgotten", which I read to mean that we're all starting from scratch, but they'll throw us a bone on the first stage or something.

[Taint]

That'd be the first I've heard this, granted I don't follow every interview that comes out. Source?

All I recall on the topic is him saying something like "Don't worry Zodiac wielders, you won't be forgotten", which I read to mean that we're all starting from scratch, but they'll throw us a bone on the first stage or something.

A grind weapon will continue with 3.1 that's all they have said.

And what you posted that Zodiac wielders won't be forgotten.

[Arthars]

well its not ZW for sure since it ended, but its going to be like relic > zodiac type

different weapon, but continuation

with how 1.0 relic being so tedious and after transiting to 2.0 becoming a faceroll content(can be done in less than a day now to IL80 relic compared to 2-3 days for 1.0 relic), i wouldnt be surprised that ZW will follow same steps as well for catching up purpose

everything can be tweaked to ease it tremendously, like 100% dungeon/alex/atma drop, 5-10 times the light

yet again, fuck animus hahaha they got to tune that shit really if it is still required in heavensward

[Niiro]

It would seem more than a bit pointless to design base relic weapons for the new jobs that are immediately useless until it's upgraded to a Zodiac/Zeta.

They'll probably just start at the base Zodiac stage and go from there.

[Raldo]

I agree that there'll be some quest chain similar to the relic/zodiac line, but you keep saying catch-up, and I doubt they'd do that to people even if they did nerf it heavily. I expect this to be a clean break. No relation to zodiac/relic chain (aside from whatever bonus you get for having one). I fully suspect that if you want a MNK relic in Heavensward and you don't have a Zodiac weapon, they won't make you grind out a ZW just to start the quest.

I'm with Taint here, this makes the most sense to me

Calling it now:

The new "Relic" will require 3 weeks of Tomes unless you have the Zeta, then you can skip the tomes.

This will give current Zeta holders 3 weeks of Tomes for other items and make non Zeta holders save up Tomes (before or after 3.1)

Zeta gets thrown a bone and the bitching will be a small mumble.

Though if I had to guess, I'd say the only thing they'll do for ZW wielders is let you drag your ZW stat picks onto your Heavensward weapon.

[Niiro]

That's how tomestone weapons have worked, I don't see them suddenly putting relics behind it as well.

Those weapons were meant to be the alternative to relics.

[Raldo]

...do you even remember how the relic chain started?

You do a quest, you get your weapon and then you needed X tomes to upgrade it. If we're all starting fresh, they have to start somewhere. Just like with 2.0->2.2, I don't expect any sort of tomestone weapons until 3.2.

[Niiro]

Huh?

Tomestone weapons have always come out with the accompanying raid and required 3 weeks of tomes, Zenith was the exception more than the rule because there was no relic alternative at launch.

I'd prefer they offer alternative weapons that don't rely on tomes (relics shouldn't either) but that's been the procedure thus far.

Ideally they should do what they did with the EX primal weapons, relic alternative weapons with a quest lockout that's not tied to tomes and has it's own side rewards (accessories), it's a shame they didn't keep up with that model because it was by far the best.

[Taint]

Well its one raid with Zenith, 2 with Tome weapons. With only 3 raid updates it hard to predict a pattern either way.

[layoneil]

Well its one raid with Zenith, 2 with Tome weapons. With only 3 raid updates it hard to predict a pattern either way.

hopefully, the pattern is the most recent one takes precedence cause the old idea was bad and they moved away from it. i.e. Diamond Dust > Leviathan Mirrors

and yes, so awful there's not more "Primal Focus" type quests.

[Niiro]

Well its one raid with Zenith, 2 with Tome weapons. With only 3 raid updates it hard to predict a pattern either way.

The selling point of relics in all patches after launch was being able to upgrade a weapon independent of tomestones.

It's much more likely that they made Zenith the way they did at launch because it was simple and the game had just launched and content was already behind schedule.

If they gated relics behind tomes again people would have even less reason to do them.

[Taint]

The selling point of relics in all patches after launch was being able to upgrade a weapon independent of tomestones.

It's much more likely that they made Zenith the way they did at launch because it was simple and the game had just launched and content was already behind schedule.

If they gated relics behind tomes again people would have even less reason to do them.

Yeah makes sense. I was just trying to think of a nice easy way SE could throw a meaningful bone at Zeta holders without breaking the system.

SE keeps stressing all the new people that will start with Heavensward, so there has to be a compromise between keeping Zeta holders happy and new people starting on 3.1s relic.

[Arthars]

still cant believe after a wall of text in the Interview section, noone fucking asked new job relic questions

[Raldo]

Will there be a replacement for the Zodiac Weapon saga with new content to develop weapons?
Y: We're planning to start that in patch 3.1. The policy will still be the same that players will have to work diligently to improve their weapon, but we do want to change things up a bit from the previous Zodiac Weapons saga.

Will it not be the type where you're collecting things over time?
Y: It will be the same in that you're basically exchanging time spent for weapon strength. So things like drop rate are important, and we may also have parts where you're collecting things in a certain sequence. However, the purpose of the content will largely be the same. I know I'm being a bit ambiguous, but I can't say more without revealing more information, so please forgive me (laughs).

Is that not...? What more info do you want? Surely you don't expect them to go into details right now.

[layoneil]

Is that not...? What more info do you want? Surely you don't expect them to go into details right now.

i think the question is more along the lines of will you be able to do the 2.x Relic Quest with Dark Knight, Machinist, Astrologian.

some people might want to stock up on stuff like Alexandrites, Bomb Cores now if that was the case. that's probably also why they won't answer a question like that.

i think it would be a terrible waste of weapon models and even weapon names to do it for the new jobs.

[Damane]

i think the question is more along the lines of will you be able to do the 2.x Relic Quest with Dark Knight, Machinist, Astrologian.

some people might want to stock up on stuff like Alexandrites, Bomb Cores now if that was the case. that's probably also why they won't answer a question like that.

i think it would be a terrible waste of weapon models and even weapon names to do it for the new jobs.

i really doub that. Now that the zodiac quest line has ended, there is no point in retroactivly add the new jobs to it. Why should they? If we want to look how they handled their other MMO: new jobs never got retroactiv added into old weapon questlines.
BLU PUP COR SCH DNC never got their relic dounterpart (SCH DNC were released pre mythic release so they got that). RUN GEO never got retroactivly added to Empyrean Relic or Mythic, they just go their own questlin which gave them weapons equivalent to Mythic. Thats it.

[Arthars]

yea mainly hoping to shed some light for new relic. would be nice to stock up but highly doubt it will be used.

zw ended but i got a feeling it will continue like relic to zw for old jobs...

really hoping to get new jobs relic info next time round