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[Slycer]

I got a couple PMs about this, so here's a quick and dirty translation. I'm not going to bother pointing out the myriad holes in some of the ideas and how he came up with them, because I think it's readily apparent, but here it is. By the way, in some of the comments below the initial post, the author clarifies that he's talking about real time (not Eorzea time), so this would all be JST time, at least for a Japanese server, so likely it's whatever your server's local time is if it's correct. Interestingly enough, there seems to be more positive comments with people expressing appreciation or mentioning that it's working for them than there seem to be negative comments, so perhaps there's something to it.

Everything below the line is translation of the linked blog, nothing is my comments/opinions.

http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/1049228/
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The first day of atma collection. There was no sign of any at all even though I had been doing FATEs around Central Shroud for hours. However, as soon as I changed areas, I got an atma right away. I thought this was a bit strange, so after I began collecting some of the atma, I came up with a theory that there had to be some mechanic behind obtaining them. Here's my hypothesis, which you can independently verify. I believe it should be quite helpful since I was able to obtain 10 atma in just two days.

Time ranges for best drop rate (I recommend arriving 15 minutes before the start to be safe):

Maiden - Central Shroud: 1:00~
Scorpion - Southern Thanalan: 2:00~
Water Bearer - Upper La Noscea: 3:00~
Goat - East Shroud: 4:00~
Bull - Eastern Thanalan: 5:00~
Ram - Middle La Noscea: 6:00~
Twins - Western Thanalan: 7:00~
Lion - Outer La Noscea: 8:00~
Fish - Lower La Noscea: 9:00~
Archer - North Shroud: 10:00~
Scales - Central Thanalan: 11:00~
Crab - Western La Noscea: 12:00~

I had a lot of different ideas at first, but it seems like the atma change out every hour in the order they appear in the journal. I was able to get from Scorpion all the way to Scales all within one hour each. It took about 30 minutes average in each zone, some as fast as 15 minutes, and some as long as 50. It still takes some plugging away because even when it's higher, the drop rate still seems to be slightly lower than 10%.

However, this didn't work out for Crab and Maiden. I got Maiden in a FATE I had participated in by chance at 20:58. For the Crab, I started it at 0:00 that night, and I finally got it on the third day at 13:20 after starting at 12:00. I think the 12 hour rule may work differently for the first and last atma.

You can only get four easy drops in a 12 hour period. Although I was able to reliably get four atma based on the rules above, the fifth would not drop at all the first time. It seemed like I was only able to get four, so I started again from there next day. From adventurers I had parties with, I gathered that the number you can get per day might be limited. Because I have heard of people who have gotten all of them in one day, I don't think this is a total limit, but my guess is that you can only get up to four at the easy drop rate in 12 hours, and those who said they got them all in a day might have taken a bit more than 24 hours (28 hours would be the shortest time with the rules above).

[Quicklet]

Honestly, I think it's more likely that they're just adjusting the drop rates without saying anything.

[blowfin]

Honestly, I think it's more likely that they're just adjusting the drop rates without saying anything.

I thought that too, but the blog post is pre (yes i meant) 2.21. Not saying they haven't ninja'd the RNG, but he got lucky (or otherwise) prior to the patch.

[Quicklet]

I wouldn't really consider one person's fate drops to be enough of a sample size to back this up, so it's all just speculation at this point, but I think they might have adjusted the rates slightly in the pre-2.1 maintenance they did to fix a bunch of bugs. Having some kind of hidden drop mechanic is plausible, but you'd probably need several thousand fates worth of data with time info (both Eorzea and server) to meaningfully discern whether this had any merit to it.

[Buffy]

I thought that too, but the blog post is pre 2.16. Not saying they haven't ninja'd the RNG, but he got lucky (or otherwise) prior to the patch.

I wouldn't really consider one person's fate drops to be enough of a sample size to back this up, so it's all just speculation at this point, but I think they might have adjusted the rates slightly in the pre-2.1 maintenance they did to fix a bunch of bugs. Having some kind of hidden drop mechanic is plausible, but you'd probably need several thousand fates worth of data with time info (both Eorzea and server) to meaningfully discern whether this had any merit to it.

You mean 2.21. There was no such thing as Atma pre-2.2.

[Buffy]

What is up with server time? It's 7:07 AM EST, where the servers are, but my client says it is 12:07.

huh?

[Quicklet]

You mean 2.21. There was no such thing as Atma pre-2.2.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[Hellfury]

What is up with server time? It's 7:07 AM EST, where the servers are, but my client says it is 12:07.

huh?

Not sure where you are, but at least Sargatanas seems to have servertime as GMT, even if the servers aren't there

[Buttons]

Tried it again today, server time 4pm Upper La Noscea, took half an hour but got my atma. On to the next zone to test. ^^/

[dejet]

I afk at fates. I get decent drop rates like 10%. So everyone just stay in one fate it works!

Random is fucking random. You really think SE put that much work in?

At first I use to go into parties. You have any idea how many first fate drop people I saw?

Stop feeding into this....

[vrumpt]

I went at it randomly last weekend and got 6 in like 5 hours time period. Random is random, I definitely wasn't going down the list either.

Its all the placebo effect people. We now have another "face east on windsday during full moon" on our hands.

[dejet]

I went at it randomly last weekend and got 6 in like 5 hours time period. Random is random, I definitely wasn't going down the list either.

Its all the placebo effect people. We now have another "face east on windsday during full moon" on our hands.

You have no idea how many people followed this. In the long run RNG will always even out. Odds are you 100% drop rate is meet by some poor persons 1%

[Quicklet]

I afk at fates. I get decent drop rates like 10%. So everyone just stay in one fate it works!

Random is fucking random. You really think SE put that much work in?

At first I use to go into parties. You have any idea how many first fate drop people I saw?

Stop feeding into this....

It's the lottery effect. Assuming each person has an equal chance of getting a drop, odds are decent (about 15% for 2% drop rate, 33% for 5% drop rate) that *somebody* will get a drop in an 8-man party for any given fate. But it's not likely to be you. Still, the incentive for being in a party is that you clear fates faster and get more chances at a drop.

[Raldo]

I don't see how you extrapolated that being in a party helps you clear faster and get more chances at a drop. It certainly doesn't help you clear faster (except for the LB, I guess?), and there's zero evidence of the latter.

I get my atmas solo, because fuck other people.

On the topic of the time theory, here's my yields for last night:
• Got Archer (N.Shroud) on the first FATE I did in the supposed time window (10PM Central). Continued to do a good 20 or so FATEs in the zone, but didn't get another.
• Wife got Archer (N.Shroud) on her first FATE in the time window as well. Continue to do a few FATEs, didn't get another.
• Pulled a friend in and moved to C.Than since that was the next supposed time window (11PM Central). I got my C.Than atma within 4 FATEs. Friend got his after about 30 minutes. Wife didn't get any at all.
• I moved to C.Shroud because I was only missing two more atmas. I got the Maiden atma in less than 10 FATEs and it wasn't in the proper time window.

While I can certainly see it as a plausible theory, I'm still not convinced.

[MisterBob]

I hear if you clear the fate while facing the constellation that matches the hidden element of the fate the atma always drops.


Guys, seriously, don't be retarded.

[Shenrien]

Didn't Yoshida say that he wouldn't add in any stupid complex hidden systems to the game like this so the tinfoil hat community wouldn't rise up and plague the minds of everyone?

[OWS_Tonx]

Too many people in this thread are going 1/1 and 1/4 on atma during the theory's listed times for me to not believe that it may increase the drop rate some. It isn't so far fetched to believe SE would do somethin like this lol.

Even then, worst case people don't lose their sanity grinding hours on end in 1 zone like most of us did and break it up among zones

[dejet]

Or,or only people with good luck are posting?


Edit. When I say I have a high drop rate I mean it. I afk and it might take two hours but I'm only doing one fate when I see it. 5+% easy each one

[Kaslo]

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[MisterBob]

Too many people in this thread are going 1/1 and 1/4 on atma during the theory's listed times for me to not believe that it may increase the drop rate some. It isn't so far fetched to believe SE would do somethin like this lol.

Even then, worst case people don't lose their sanity grinding hours on end in 1 zone like most of us did and break it up among zones

Me and 3 friends all got Atmas while semi-afking playing Diablo 3 while auto attacking fates.

Playing Diablo 3 confirmed for increasing Atma drop rate.


Spoilers: People who get lucky and have drops that conform with the theory are more likely to post. Use your head and think about this for five seconds. Either that or go log into FFXI using the same SE account and use some Ebon Panels while simultaneously farming fates in FFXIV. My JP friend whose cousin is Yoshi P's secret lover told me this works.