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[rcade]

Why be pissed? Does it cheapen your efforts or something? I understand this logic but I never get why it leads to frustration (special snowflake syndrome?). You have your weapon, be happy? I'm going on book 7 and if they nerfed it tomorrow or a month from now, it would be the same weapon. I'd still have it and it would still play the same role in my game life as it did before 100 people were walking around with it.

Whether we like it or not Myth stones will only become more available and costs will stay the same across the board for everything. That's how it went with Philosophy and that's how it's gonna go with Mythology and eventually Soldiery. You get what you want now because you gotta work for it, but inevitably, it will be easier to obtain later because that is the design of the game. Get as pissed as you want but that's a reality. It's just a game and it's just some data on a server. Maybe I'm just older or more mature about it though. Who knows.

/gorillalawnmower

Someone older and more mature should have a better understanding of basic economics. The easier something is to obtain, the less value it has. Obviously we're talking about an ingame item here, but you should be mature enough to know that people take this stuff seriously! Serious enough to come on message boards and chat and think about it when they're not busy playing it.

[fliprock]

it'd be nice for the atma farming if on top of the future likely upped drop rate, they would up the rate if you are farming with an animus weapon already.

[Ratatapa]

I want a legacy Weapon, since i did all the hard work! like +5 mnd the nthe normal one!


jk

[Orophin]

Haven't had the time to really put into doing this due to trying to do progression content and farming Levi/Moogle for more immediate upgrades for our group. I think at this rate I'm going to average a book a week simply because the only time I have to farm Myth is during the weekends.

[scaevola]

Someone older and more mature should have a better understanding of basic economics. The easier something is to obtain, the less value it has. Obviously we're talking about an ingame item here, but you should be mature enough to know that people take this stuff seriously! Serious enough to come on message boards and chat and think about it when they're not busy playing it.

He should be mature enough to know that some people (like you, apparently) are not mature enough to understand a positional good for what it is: a way for somebody to hustle you?

[OWS_Tonx]

I would agree more if the Animus was the only weapon on it's level, but it's not. there's 2 more that are equal base dmg and different secondary, then there's the high allagan which currently trumps the 3 of them. Atma grind was not that bad. Myth farming sucks but it's not that bad either. I've made a good chunk of gil runnin it with my friends and I'm barely going to start farming mytho for book5

[Kaslo]

By the way, just doing a few roulettes and beastman dailies should put you at a new book every 3-4 days for casuals that seems fair really. But if they wanted to do any kind of nerf it would be to up the Myth reward on MSQ and High Level Roulette (or even First Coil).

[Grey Jorildyn]

He should be mature enough to know that some people (like you, apparently) are not mature enough to understand a positional good for what it is: a way for somebody to hustle you?

I understand both of these things, but we're talking about a virtual thing that really only has the value you place on it. If that is to be influenced by the values other place on it, rather than the objective value of the item itself (which has already been identified as "not as good as the alternatives" above, objectively) then I find it absurd if someone were to "get pissed" just because more people have it. The people who actually take this game "seriously" either aren't even bothering with Animus because it's not top-tier unless they got free time to blow or just wanna plan ahead for upgrading and aren't in any rush to do so.

That's just my opinion on it.

[Lyall]

I understand both of these things, but we're talking about a virtual thing that really only has the value you place on it. If that is to be influenced by the values other place on it, rather than the objective value of the item itself (which has already been identified as "not as good as the alternatives" above, objectively) then I find it absurd if someone were to "get pissed" just because more people have it. The people who actually take this game "seriously" either aren't even bothering with Animus because it's not top-tier unless they got free time to blow or just wanna plan ahead for upgrading and aren't in any rush to do so.

That's just my opinion on it.

Pretty sure that's the split here. Subtle but distinct difference between "I don't want others to have this" and "I worked far harder than others did for the same thing."

[Niiro]

I really wish they'd get rid of the mytho cap, I don't really have anything left to spend them on.

After the patch as soon as I heard about FATE farming and the horrible drop rates I just said "haha, no" and hearing about the mytho grind afterwards made me want to do it even less. It just sucks that I can't collect mytho going about my regular activities and save up for books in the potential future should I decide to do the quest when more of it is released.

I just keep hitting the cap and have to buy random craft mats to do nothing with.

Just in case I'm just completely missing something: you can't buy books until after collecting the Atma right?

[vrumpt]

All I know is, if they lower myth amount required for books or increase rate of myth gain I'll just be happy the back half of my animus will go faster than the first. And I might actually consider doing a second. I would like to get alt class gear sometime...

[Seravi Edalborez]

My opinion as someone who doesn't really give a shit about Atma/Animus (6/12 atma still): I don't care. If I had an Animus already I still wouldn't care if the whole process suddenly became easier. You put in the time, you got it earlier. I don't see why it should matter that other people have it easier later, except that it makes it harder to distinguish who put the time/effort in and who didn't. But with the exception of like, High Allagan, that goes for everything in this game now.

[Prothescar]

lowering the cost of animus would just mean I'll be able to give a quarter of a fuck about making weapons for my alt jobs

[Kaixin]

My opinion as someone who doesn't really give a shit: I don't really give a shit.

I'm sorry, this was too funny.

[Orophin]

Just in case I'm just completely missing something: you can't buy books until after collecting the Atma right?

Yeah, you have to get the 12 Atma and choose a weapon to fuse it to before you can get books. (the quest guy sends you to someone in Mor Dhona for the book part of the quest)

[Ratatapa]

They could make you 100% spiritbound the animus for next part of the quest

[Sho]

They'll likely just add Myth to final bosses of the current HM runs (so people stop ditching after the two mini bosses).

I'm finding it kind of funny that people across the forums (including here) don't see the fact that 2.25 and 2.3 (and updates henceforth) is going to SHIT on people building Relic Weapons. Did no one learn of the horrors that was Emp Weapon building through Trial of Magians in XI (More specifically the 90 to 99 Emp weapon upgrade stretch)? No? How about Mythic Weapons? Just because it's Yoshida and not Tanaka at the helm doesn't mean he won't take some of his ideas and implement it in this game. Especially as popular as it is now (which is now Quadruple or Quintuple as big as XI ever was).

Don't say I didn't warn you dudes. My body is ready, personally.

[blowfin]

FUCKING. 12/12. FINALLY

What do people think about upgrading Axe or Bow? I'm using my WAR a lot for PUGs groups at the moment because it's easy to pick up groups. I don't have a static, haven't even touched coil 6 or Moogle EX yet (still framing for Levi weapons). So it's fast becoming my "main" as opposed to bard. I'm guessing it's easier to farm the books on a Tank/Healer class? The only thing stopping me doing it immediately for Axe is the fact that I have a Wave Axe, bot not the Bow yet. A bit of farming should sort that out pretty quickly though.

Someone tell me what to do!

[Almalexia]

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[Kari]

The way I see it, they ARE going to make Animus easier to obtain. This can be assumed as a fact.

However, whether I see it as "fair' or not is pretty much based on how they go about it. I'm EXPECTING Myths to get easier. Either content pushes out more Myths, new things give Myths, whatever. Then with the unchanged prices of the books, you end up with an easier Animus completion. This is what I consider fair. Especially since most people will end up farming more Myths for other things like old gear or crafting materials, so this change still helps a lot of people done with Animus and just generally feels like the game moving forward.

If they instead just lower the book prices, I'd say it is a bit unfair unless they refund some myths. It's nothing to cry about -- you got your weapon sooner for more work. The reason I few this as "a bit unfair" is because, rather than the game actually moving forward, it's more like SE figured they set the bar too high and nerfed it to not be as bad, while saying "fuck you" to anyone who did it prior. As I said, it's nothing really to cry about and I'd rather have my Animus ASAP, but I would definitely prefer that Myths just be more obtainable.

[EDIT]

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Not sure if old news, but it's news to me. This makes me kinda curious. Do you have more than one Zenith maybe? My immediate thought is that maybe the FATEs check if you have a Zenith equipped but end up rolling for a drop on each one you own. But it could be anything, really. /crazytheories