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[Taint]

i dont know myth grinding is barely comparable to doing a relic in FFXI pre dynamis-easy-solo-mode. 4 players vs. gatherigng 18-36 players is barely equal. 10 min runs vs 3 hour runs (only twice a week) is barely equal either. sorry to break it to you but myth farming in FFXIV is beyond comparable to a relic on olde FFXI lol, however its still numb and mindfucking.

Its just like easy mode Dynamis farming for Relics. If you spend 2-3hrs a day farming with a couple of your buddies you'll be done in 30 days.


Edit: Actually the above comparison would be for 1 relic, where as with Animus you could farm 4. Another big difference is a relic was good for years (a lot still are) where as everything we do in this game gets reset in 6 months.

[Kidzukai]

Well the relic will be constantly evolving, so it should always compare with the best stuff in some way. It'd suck to join the game late and have to play catch up on a relic down the road.

[Eldelphia]

WHM feels so slow in SR Brayflox. Much prefer SCH.
You can stay in Cleric stance a lot more.

[Kimchi]

WHM feels so slow in SR Brayflox. Much prefer SCH.
You can stay in Cleric stance a lot more.

Yeah, I just let Eos do most of the work for the bosses and the beginning of trash pulls.
The tank's health is pretty low but it's enough to survive bursts.

[Ratatapa]

Most of the tanks i had were dumb, so i had time to Miasma II + shadow flare only

[Kaisha]

Most of the tanks i had were dumb, so i had time to Miasma II + shadow flare only

Pretty much my experience. If I try to DPS it ends up with me throwing a lustrate or two after every DoT, at which point having no charges left to hit Bane.

Also, fuck atmas, 3 left to go, and none of them are dropping as I cycle between zones every 10-15 fates.

[Neon_Sea]

whm that holy spam in Bray SR is godlike. Gonna start my second atma quest (fml) but just gonna collect the atmas not gonna deal with books till much later when they either nerf it or make myth much more accessible.

[Sephiroth]

My favourite setup is MRD, SCH and 2x BLM. The extra DPS from the tank and healer make the bosses go a lot faster. That's what got me under the 5 minute point anyway, and that was with PF. In general I'll average about 6 minutes in PF. More if someone decides to bring a BRD or some other slower DPS.

[Crizto]

I've done sub-5min runs with:
SCH/BRD/BLM/WAR
SCH/BLM/BLM/WAR
WHM/BRD/BLM/WAR
WHM/BLM/BLM/WAR

But my absolute fastest times have been with the last setup. I think SCH does more damage on a boss, but WHM will speed up your AoE pulls. I only play WHM (i91) in PF groups, but even in those if the tank is geared beyond a certain point I don't need to heal too much. If Hallowed is used on the 1st pull, a Benediction is enough to cover heals before things die. The second pull I just preemptively put up Medica II/Regen and then go Holy spam.

Whatever floats yer boat, anything sub-6min is fine to keep my sanity though.

[Katlan]

WHM feels so slow in SR Brayflox. Much prefer SCH.
You can stay in Cleric stance a lot more.

As SCH I'm in cleric stance for 90% of each boss and rely on Eos and a few random Lustrates

My favourite setup is MRD, SCH and 2x BLM. The extra DPS from the tank and healer make the bosses go a lot faster. That's what got me under the 5 minute point anyway, and that was with PF. In general I'll average about 6 minutes in PF. More if someone decides to bring a BRD or some other slower DPS.

I don't think bard is that much slower, if slower at all. If you have a good bard that Battle Voice's + Requiem the first pull, shit dies just as fast as if there were 2 BLM's (if not faster). Then you just requiem the second pull. But you also need a well geared bard for it to be faster or just as fast

[Raldo]

If Hallowed is used on the 1st pull, a Benediction is enough to cover heals before things die

Lists 4 setups all using WAR
Mentions hallowed

wat.

[Indomitable Will]

As SCH I'm in cleric stance for 90% of each boss and rely on Eos and a few random Lustrates



I don't think bard is that much slower, if slower at all. If you have a good bard that Battle Voice's + Requiem the first pull, shit dies just as fast as if there were 2 BLM's (if not faster). Then you just requiem the second pull. But you also need a well geared bard for it to be faster or just as fast

also helps if the brd is actually doing dmg to the bosses that is as good as the blm

[Crizto]

Lists 4 setups all using WAR
Mentions hallowed

wat.

I have not done a sub-5minute run on my WHM, only my BLM. I have only done sub-6min runs on my WHM with a PLD funnily enough. Pretty weird, didn't realize this as I was typing. I don't know if Holmgang is interchangeable with Hallowed because of the duration. It was supposed to be two different thoughts.

[Seravi Edalborez]

The duration isn't really what makes Holmgang worse. The "still requiring healing" thing is.

[OWS_Tonx]

Yeah, holmgang is only good for 2 situations: sac pulls and OHFUCKWHYNOHEALZ. On a Bray SR that shit is useless compared to HG

[Niiro]

Has anyone tried WHMx3 + tank?

Each WHM tosses a Regen on tank, and just pewpewpewpew.

Bosses would be slower I'd imagine, but again each WHM would just have to toss Regen then cleric's -> pewpew.

[Eldelphia]

Funnily enough a few of us were debating that last night.

[Niiro]

One issue I could see would be having to stand in the thick of the mob group to Holy, you get the grace period for the first 2 casts thanks to the stun which might be enough considering you've essentially got 3 DPS now.

[Gulkeeva]

One issue I could see would be having to stand in the thick of the mob group to Holy, you get the grace period for the first 2 casts thanks to the stun which might be enough considering you've essentially got 3 DPS now.

Main issue I've noticed, when I go as a dps, instead of my SCH is that...

1. With a whm healer, if he is going to dps, you pretty much need a PLD, a war would be pretty close to like dead by the time the first holy went off (with all mobs in range).

2. After like 2-3 holy, need to spam cure the PLD to make sure he actually survives, can't really dps after that because of stun DR.

3. whm doesn't seem to do well if the tank ignores adds on 2nd boss (I've seen a few actually die on it, or have some sort of epic life n death struggle running all over the room which is kind of fun to watch)

I've run several hundred brayflox runs on SCH (I'd think somewhat over 500) and have a much easier time healing on it and dpsing at the same time, no matter the setup (like pld+drg+brd which is awful btw), and even undergeared tanks aren't too hard to keep alive on massive pulls (around ilvl70 people) and can still just cleric stance entire boss fights (eos is pretty op)

[Seravi Edalborez]

Also is it just me or do WARs survive the first pull in Brayflox a lot better than PLDs? As SCH healer. idk, every PLD I've ever had melts there like butter the instant Sentinel goes down.