Relic / Atma / Zodiac / Novus / Nexus Weapon information

[Detzu]

Personally I find it difficult....to not just log out and play something else.

That's' exactly how i feel atm.
Myth grind really? Doing those fucking dungeons is everything but fun. I mean 16 dungeons a day for 75 days, they better gtfo.
Coil system is retarded and that's' the only content remaining.

[Serenseven]

Pretty much where I stand on those weapons... And I've been playing this game about as casually as it gets. It honestly makes no sense - let's make these weapons for people that don't have time to raid, but then they make the weapons a massive fucking grind. Seriously, what audience are they for? lol

I'm assuming for people like me, who get screwed by the Random Number Gods constantly. Turn 5 just last week finally dropped a BLM scepter (about 13 weeks after I last would have needed it) and Leviathan seems to have forgotten what mirrors are. Since my static doesn't seem capable at the moment of clearing Turn 7, much less Turn 9, the relic sequence is really the only method for me to get a decent weapon.

That doesn't mean I enjoy it, though.

[Olo401]

Oh cool Rata you're on Sarg now? We'll hafta hang out sometime.

[Kaslo]

I wish the butthurt would take itself to another thread >.>

[Slycer]

Perhaps we should wait until 2.3 until we jump to any conclusions? They mentioned that alexandrite would at the very least be something you could get from the new hunt system. Maybe it's from other places as well?

Whatever the case is, the whole relic upgrade system is definitely designed with a casual player in mind - it's not something that you can obtain quickly by any measure, but it's not something you have to spend more than an hour a day on either. You could do the atma grind at your leisure, however many fates you feel like doing on any particular day. You could finish the mythology grind with a couple roulettes a day over maybe ten weeks (it's been ten weeks since 2.2). Assuming you need 75, you could finish the alexandrite grind in 30ish minutes a day in another ten weeks or less depending on how much mythology you throw at maps and how convenient the hunt system is for obtaining alexandrite and then spend another 30 minutes a day spiritbinding your own materia (spiritbinding low level armor for low tier materia is ridiculously fast at level 50).

On the whole, it looks like it was designed for approximately an hour a day of playtime for like 10 weeks per upgrade, but also done in such a way that you could finish it as fast as you want if you have the time to grind it out. The main thing that sucks about alexandrite is that the ways to grind it out so far for people with more time are horribly inefficient compared to the casual once-a-day way, which is why I'm holding out until 2.3 at least before I start lighting fires.

Edit: Also, for people asking about where it ends, there was a Famitsu article a while ago which indicated they would go up to IL115.

[Sho]

What makes your time and effort into beating T9 any different to people putting time and effort into obtaining their relic? If anything you're putting much less time and effort into a T9 weapon since I doubt it takes 100+ hours to learn T9. You don't need to beat all the turns either, I've never beaten T6-8 yet I have progressed to phase 2 in T9 in a group that lasted 2 hours. Kinda funny that the game even lets you join turns when you've never beat the previous one. If CT2 starts shitting out soldiery upgrade items I'll have no use for T6-8 in a couple of months.

I'm all for the best gear coming from Coil, but relic weapons are unique in that they aren't just standard gear like comparing soldiery gear to high allagan. Maybe SE could reward you for doing both by having T9 not drop weapons but drop an item that can either purchase the i115 Coil weapon or used to upgrade your relic from i110 to i120. That way people who don't want to do the grind can have their i115 weapon but people willing to do the grind and beat T9 haven't wasted their time on the relic. It even solves that awful RNG issue on the T9 weapons.

The post right below yours answers this so well. There is absolutely no difficulty behind doing relic. It's just a grind session. Compare that to T9, you still have to put in the hours forming a perfect group to get beyond T9, and then attempt it multiple times for the weapon you require. The fight may have been relatively easy for you, but you are just one person in a much smaller minority than everyone else, who is mostly from the casual crowd. The grind however comes with the added benefit of understanding that your relic will eventually outshine High Allagan and quite possiblly look even cooler to boot.

We also don't know what will come in 2.3 that will ease the acquisition of Alexandrite/Myth (or maybe we do with Daily Hunts).

[Ratatapa]

New information will try to make a guide

Infused Determination 5/31 today was 70% chance and still need Det 1 materia

Changing Category resets the infusion to 100%

Before doing my det #5 i tried Critical 1 and it was 100%

[Taint]

One major tweak they could do to make the Relic quest less brayn damage would be to have a weekly quest for Animus books in addition to the 1500 myth purchasable books.

I think they did it right with being able to obtain Alex from multiple sources.

[Kaixin]

My question is, do casual players really want to undergo a minimum 10-week process where you do the same 3 dungeons every day just for the alexandrite? And then god knows how long trying to farm up enough money or spiritbind for materia? Is that really how they want to spend their 2-3 hours of free time every week? And all this AFTER already going through the animus grind?

I still barely see animus weapons.

[Lyall]

New information will try to make a guide

Infused Determination 5/31 today was 70% chance and still need Det 1 materia

Changing Category resets the infusion to 100%

Before doing my det #5 i tried Critical 1 and it was 100%

So categories degrade independently? Or changing categories refreshes degradation? Was Det5 100% or did you mean the Crit1 was 100%?

[Ratatapa]

So categories degrade independently? Or changing categories refreshes degradation? Was Det5 100% or did you mean the Crit1 was 100%?

Crit 1 was 100%

So categories are independant

[Kaslo]

And then god knows how long trying to farm up enough money or spiritbind for materia?

These are the words of a man that doesn't know how quickly Tier 1-3 gear spiritbinds.

My brother and I bought a total of 40 melee accessories (around lvl 7, anout 200g a piece from NPC) and went out to W. La No to spiritbind while fate grinding to get a starting stock of materia (since we are going for different stats we just traded to the other what we each needed). I took us less than an hour and each got 8 materia we could use, along with materia we sold for about 10k a pop that we didn't need.

#shitisnottimeconsumingnorhardnorexpensive

[Ratatapa]

These are the words of a man that doesn't know how quickly Tier 1-3 gear spiritbinds.

My brother and I bought a total of 40 melee accessories (around lvl 7, anout 200g a piece from NPC) and went out to W. La No to spiritbind while fate grinding to get a starting stock of materia (since we are going for different stats we just traded to the other what we each needed). I took us less than an hour and each got 8 materia we could use, along with materia we sold for about 10k a pop that we didn't need.

#shitisnottimeconsumingnorhardnorexpensive

it can be time consuming you need luck on getting the good materia

Ihateuelemental

[Kaixin]

These are the words of a man that doesn't know how quickly Tier 1-3 gear spiritbinds.

My brother and I bought a total of 40 melee accessories (around lvl 7, anout 200g a piece from NPC) and went out to W. La No to spiritbind while fate grinding to get a starting stock of materia (since we are going for different stats we just traded to the other what we each needed). I took us less than an hour and each got 8 materia we could use, along with materia we sold for about 10k a pop that we didn't need.

#shitisnottimeconsumingnorhardnorexpensive

Ok, got me there. But still, you spent an hour at FATEs spamming one key for eight of the lowest ones. Just for the materia. This is in combination with daily roulette and a map every day for 10+ weeks. On top of the animus ordeal. If I pretend I'm someone who maybe has an hour to play on sporadic evenings and many other games competing for my attention, this doesn't sound like an enjoyable use of my time. Excuse me while I re-install Diablo 3.

Is the novus really for casuals? Or is it, for lack of a better term, for "hardcore non-raiders"?

[Ratatapa]

just do the repeatable quest each day if needed

you'll be done in 75 days

Yes it's casual

[Raldo]

Definitely more casual than the previous steps

[Kaixin]

I was referring to the whole atma-animus-novus pathway itself. Just seems so boring for too much time for little reward. Do casuals have a higher tolerance for boredom?

[Kaslo]

Ok, got me there. But still, you spent an hour at FATEs spamming one key for eight of the lowest ones. Just for the materia. This is in combination with daily roulette and a map every day for 10+ weeks. On top of the animus ordeal. If I pretend I'm someone who maybe has an hour to play on sporadic evenings and many other games competing for my attention, this doesn't sound like an enjoyable use of my time. Excuse me while I re-install Diablo 3.

Is the novus really for casuals? Or is it, for lack of a better term, for "hardcore non-raiders"?

I'm not going to play FFXIV, because I don't want to spend time playing FFXIV. #goodargumentbro

[Katlan]

Pretty much where I stand on those weapons... And I've been playing this game about as casually as it gets. It honestly makes no sense - let's make these weapons for people that don't have time to raid, but then they make the weapons a massive fucking grind. Seriously, what audience are they for? lol

forget the grind, its now relegated only to the rich/wealthy portion of the population. If you don't care about BiS stats then there is no point. And when you get to those tier 3/4 materia (not even factoring in the breaks) your gonna be spending hundreds of thousands of gil on them. Making a a Zodiac can easily cost you millions. And before people talk about spirit bonding, spirit bonding t3/4 gear isn't nearly as easy as tier 1/2

[Kaslo]

I still don't get the whole "now regulated only to the rich/wealthy" shit...