.DAT Mining: 4/7/2014 Update - Findings and Discussion

[Trumpy]

The first link downloaded a filename.rar.exe file. maybe that is why. the media fire one is jsut a .rar definately takin longer to download than the first one.

[CubsWoo]

The Sendspace link downloads an installer that wants you to navigate a minefield of bloatware/dumb browser extensions and addons before trying to download the actual file. I'd use the Mediafire link!

[NynJa]

You can download from sendspace without the exe, theres a checkbox underneath.

I downloaded as .rar from it. Having said that, I'm just gonna redownload from mediafire. One virus warning is enough to deter me.

[Fred]

anyone able to log in yet? i keep getting 0206 error

[Tarage]

The SMN staff is highly useless.

[Priran]

only thing I can tell from reading oboro's dialogue table is that the new weapons have 3 ingredients and a choice of one of 3 options for payment

if these weapons weren't so meh I'd say riftborn boulders/beitetsu were about to be worth something again

[Shadowmeld]

The SMN staff is highly useless.

Not if it costs less to do it than to get lucky with a wailing stone +2.

[Sechs]

New gear looks underwhelming, specially that hachimaki (that comes from Tenzen I presume) I'm guessing these new battlefields will drop something for the new weapons, otherwise they have worse drops than the Zilart Brothers.

Dunno what to say about the body, looks like a plain, unnecessary variation of many other similar bodies.
Feet are pretty nice for melee builds on Mage jobs though. My ddBRD is creaming, do want those boots! Granted it's not anything "OMG!" but it's still cool and saves me to upgrade Gende feet to +1 to have a 4% Haste feet.
Also it has +acc, which is a stat that BRD needs a lot (aside from DEX>Acc I can currently get straight +Acc only from my Relic Body and Buremte Gloves)
There's also a nice and new STP ammo and an awesome pet earring

The -10 enmity on the NIN Katana makes me cry. It's gonna be good for situations when you're DDing and using Yonin, but if you're trying to tank you're gonna have to rely on another weapon (Delve one maybe?)
RUN GSWD looks nice, despite the lack of +mab it looks really nice.
I'm liking the SCH staff for the + Regen and -enmity. It's not gonna be the best nuking staff but it's still decent, good inventory saver I guess for whose who are happy playing SCH casually.
PUP H2H is... I don't know what to say but it's gonna be good for pet: builds for sure (I was currently using Burattinaios)
DNC dagger... has anybody done the math? Doesn't it look like it's gonna be a better offhand than Leisilonu+2 and Sabebus R15?
The SMN Staff is freaking awesome, especially for those who don't have an augmented uffrat. I just wish it could have been macc+30 instead of acc :'(

Also do hope the BRD Harp does NOT stack with Daurdabla90/99 or it's gonna be preposterous for several reasons.
If it stacks only with Dau 90 it means a lazy owner of a dau 90 can almost get the same results as a Dau99 and that would be a kick in the nuts of the Dau99 owners.
If it stacks also with Dau 99 as well it's gonna be... I dunno, 6 songs BRD with SP2, that would be beyond broken. Since 4 is already too much, imho, I seriously hope they didn't make the problem even worse.
So yeah, I hope it doesn't stack with anything (except SP2 of course)

[Sechs]

The SMN staff is highly useless.

How come?
It's a nice Haste idle piece and even if you don't *need* 5 perp in the weapon slot to reach the perp cap, it's still another additional and very welcome item so that you can take multiple roads to reach the same goal.
How is it "highly useless"?

Of course it kinda depends on how easy/hard it will be to obtain, but supposing it's gonna be easy I see it as a valid and better alternative to Uffrat honestly, where you don't have to rely on the insanely annoying chances of RNGs.

[Yugl]

Removed the sendspace link. Not gonna deal with their BS if they try that CLICKHERETONOTGETMALWARE crap.

[Santi]

Low accuracy Innin situations. But even then, I don't think -10 Enmity will do much. I want to know the logic behind SE's combat skills, why does Katana have significantly less than other JSE weapons?

[CoreyX]

The SMN staff is highly useless.

Highly useless how? Unless you have Nirvana, it's the best staff to use while the avatar is out. More accuracy and haste to land some hits inbetween bloodpacts. Avatar melee accuracy sucks on high level NMs so it helps, and gaining TP from hits increases merit bloodpact damage. Compare to Uffrat +2 which has what, -5 perpetuation and likely no other relevant avatar stats unless you win the augment lottery jackpot and manage to get something useful along with the -5 perp that isn't avatar: MAB (useless for avatar meleeing)

[Botosi]

nvm.

[Nitrous24]

that sendspace link worked fine for me, but i have ads, scripts, flash, and such blocked. scanned file and it was fine after download.

[Kincard]

Low accuracy Innin situations. But even then, I don't think -10 Enmity will do much. I want to know the logic behind SE's combat skills, why does Katana have significantly less than other JSE weapons?

It has more magic accuracy on it than the other melee weapons, so it's (poorly) designed to be a mixed-DPS Innin Weapon or something. What a stupid idea.

[Fwahm]

Low accuracy Innin situations. But even then, I don't think -10 Enmity will do much. I want to know the logic behind SE's combat skills, why does Katana have significantly less than other JSE weapons?

The NIN katana has the most pure accuracy (27) of any of the JSE weapons, so maybe they wanted the NIN weapon to be high on accuracy, low on attack.

[Damane]

Low accuracy Innin situations. But even then, I don't think -10 Enmity will do much. I want to know the logic behind SE's combat skills, why does Katana have significantly less than other JSE weapons?

there is no logic involved when it comes to NIN or RDM.

SE logic: people screamed for OP NIN and RDM for years, we better not give them anything good! Especially not RDM!

[Sechs]

I don't think -10 Enmity will do much.

Atm not much, likely, but if/when they do their "additional enmity addressing stuff" and they turn out to be successful, it could be a nice little thing.

I want to know the logic behind SE's combat skills, why does Katana have significantly less than other JSE weapons?

Wtf just noticed this...
It's the second time that happens, first time was with Kannakiri+1 if I recall.
Seriously... why?
>___>
Only 2 weapons with +228 are Katana and Club, retarded...
Also just noticed it has +215 macc instead of the "typical" 188, but then it's clearly an offhand weapon (lower damage, lower delay) and the macc doesn't work on the offhand >.>

[Kincard]

there is no logic involved when it comes to NIN or RDM.

SE logic: people screamed for OP NIN and RDM for years, we better not give them anything good! Especially not RDM!

hey that new sword is better than murgleis bro

[Prothescar]

pretty lackluster overall. seeing very little reason to bother with tenzen/ouryu outside of titles