Another Reason to STOP using Internet Explorer and switch to Chrome/Firefox

[Ratatapa]

Just did some tests to deploy IEtab on my client PCs

[Ratatapa]

now i need to find a way to auto transfer Favorites from IE to Chrome

[Kalmado]

Another "workplace forces us to use it" here. Our IT guy, while nice enough, doesn't take to being shown anything new and it's auto-denied. I suggested using SMS and I was looked at like I was crazy.

[Aksannyi]

We're supposed to use IE here, but I successfully downloaded Firefox a few weeks after I started here and I haven't touched IE since.

Literally the only reason I ever use IE is to download Firefox.

I'm surprised how many people use Chrome. I found it to be very laggy and struggle with multiple tabs.

[Twilight Sky]

Another "workplace forces us to use it" here. Our IT guy, while nice enough, doesn't take to being shown anything new and it's auto-denied. I suggested using SMS and I was looked at like I was crazy.

And big corporations wonder why they are getting hacked so much. I don't know what win OS my job uses, but they use IE6. About the only thing they care about upgrading is the computer assistant ordering. Now some years ago they were using those IBM OS's.

[Ratatapa]

And big corporations wonder why they are getting hacked so much. I don't know what win OS my job uses, but they use IE6. About the only thing they care about upgrading is the computer assistant ordering. Now some years ago they were using those IBM OS's.

Probably Win2k or XP

[Brill Weave]

If you're using IE in 2014 you have it coming.

[Ragnell]

If you're using IE in 2014 you have it coming.

[Kalmado]

I work in insurance, so our agency states since the carriers make their sites IE friendly that's what we must use. Also, some of our specialized software is supposed to be IE only. I'm not educated on these matters, but I can do the same work on carriers websites using chrome as I can using IE. When I said I was accessing carriers websites from home, my superiors looked at me like I was crazy as well.

[Melena]

Due to cheapness, a lot of our web based software we use is IE only. Hell we can't even include Java in our SCCM updates due to one section unable to use anything above Java 6......

[Buffy]

*Hijacks Thread*

Talk to me about SCCM Melena. I *think* I'm about to get hired on as the 2nd IT full-time person for my organization *fingers crossed*. If so, I'm 100% certain that keeping our platforms updated with Adobe Reader/Flash and Java will be among my job responsibilities. We have about 300 computers distributed across 30 or so sites (from as little as one computer at a site to 30 computers at the largest) that range over a 750 square mile range.

Can I use SCCM to keep these updated without having to go to the actual locations? Keep in mind that some of the computers are 10 or 15 years old, like Dimension 2350s running windows 7 now. Is there a cost to do so? I'm newb on this topic.

[SephYuyX]

You all done bitching now? Anyone else need some tinfoil?
Just got an update for my IE8 on XP to patch the hole. The world is safe again.

You cant tell me that no other OS/app has never had some other bug in it. Hell just look at the heartbeat bug. Mac and Linux would have just as many problems as Windows/IE if it was as deeply intergrated in to the world as Windows is.

There really isnt a reason to not use IE anymore (the newer versions), as it's almost identical and/or better than the alternatives, unless unless, you are a power user and have the need for all these pointless addons.
The majority of the other 95% of interneters dont really have a reason not to use IE. Fear mongers and bad press, etcetc.

As stated previously, i've been usng IE forever, and still use IE8 (too cheap to get a new PC atm), and I have never had an issue with security or browsing sites.

[Ratatapa]

do you know the KB number of the fix?

edit found this page

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../ms14-may.aspx

but no KB for me in windows update (trying to find it so i can push WSUS at work)

[SephYuyX]

The WSUS server should be open to MS' Automatic Updates and found there.
Might be able to find it at http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Home.aspx

[Ratatapa]

found it KB2964358

Thx

[Meresgi]

You all done bitching now? Anyone else need some tinfoil?
Just got an update for my IE8 on XP to patch the hole. The world is safe again.

You cant tell me that no other OS/app has never had some other bug in it. Hell just look at the heartbeat bug. Mac and Linux would have just as many problems as Windows/IE if it was as deeply intergrated in to the world as Windows is.

There really isnt a reason to not use IE anymore (the newer versions), as it's almost identical and/or better than the alternatives, unless unless, you are a power user and have the need for all these pointless addons.
The majority of the other 95% of interneters dont really have a reason not to use IE. Fear mongers and bad press, etcetc.

As stated previously, i've been usng IE forever, and still use IE8 (too cheap to get a new PC atm), and I have never had an issue with security or browsing sites.

Windows as a whole is insecure compared to the other platforms. Sure if the others had more market penetration then eyes would be focused on them as well. Same goes for IE, people focus a lot on exploiting it because most people who use it have none or barely any technical skills, and it's used widely. Most of the reasons for using it, like people have stated in this thread, are due to organizations using tools or websites that are outdated and only work on a specific version of IE etc etc. Making it even MORE insecure because they are not even using the most recent version of IE let alone an updated Windows OS usually.

http://www.zdnet.com/linux-triumphan...ts-7000012331/

Just a small write up of the Pwnium from last year, where Chrome on Windows (along with firefox and IE) was hacked but the Chrome version for Linux was not. Open source community model is always the best answer imo.

Not to mention all of the websites I have had to deal with in the past few years where simple programs/tools/etc etc worked like shit on IE but fine in Chrome or Firefox.

I'm surprised how many people use Chrome. I found it to be very laggy and struggle with multiple tabs.

Not sure if Firefox has made headway on this, but I know each tab in Chrome is it's own process. So if you have a lot of tabs open and your CPU is fairly old/have a lot of shit using it then it will lag. That said if a tab kersplodes in chrome it doesn't bring down the entire thing like it used to do in Firefox.

[bungiefan]

Open source community model is always the best answer imo.

That's only true if there's enough eyes and funding on it. OpenSSL is open source, and Heartbleed was introduced over a year ago, yet never noticed, because only a handful of people audit it and there's been almost no funding for it. That's about the biggest security fault of a system on record. Open Source just gives the possibility of more people looking at the code and being able to fix it, it doesn't mean that they actually will more efficiently than a company will.

The problem with Windows is how long-lived some versions have been, and with being such a dominant OS, you get line-of-business programs written 10+ years ago that nobody published the code for and the company that wrote it went out of business, and all the data for a company is in that custom format, so that program needs to run. That leads to Microsoft putting shivs in their code to make old programs work properly on newer versions of the OS, when those programs violated rules of design that didn't break programs at the time, but did once the OS security was tightened in a later version. Linux could have the same problem if it was more widely used, and can already have problems with how many different flavors of it there are that have their own quirks.

[Melena]

*Hijacks Thread*

Talk to me about SCCM Melena. I *think* I'm about to get hired on as the 2nd IT full-time person for my organization *fingers crossed*. If so, I'm 100% certain that keeping our platforms updated with Adobe Reader/Flash and Java will be among my job responsibilities. We have about 300 computers distributed across 30 or so sites (from as little as one computer at a site to 30 computers at the largest) that range over a 750 square mile range.

Can I use SCCM to keep these updated without having to go to the actual locations? Keep in mind that some of the computers are 10 or 15 years old, like Dimension 2350s running windows 7 now. Is there a cost to do so? I'm newb on this topic.

Actually due to some back room politics, SCCM is not handled by our IT staff. The County has it's own IT staff that handles that for all the county agencies. All I do is give the guy who pushes it out a bunch of machines to use as a test. What we do have to do though is install a script that configures SCCM on a computer we do deploy. That really is the extent of my knowledge on it.