FFXIV Upcoming Patch Information 2.3 (July 8)

[Taint]

What in God's name would make you think SAM was meant to be a tank?

Their 1 defensive ability?

Their complete lack of enmity skills?

That is correct. SAM was supposed to be a parry tank that used SCs to hold hate. NIN was given shadows to help it out as a mob pulling job.

I personally would love to see DRK as a tank job, I MTed for years in 11 on DRK and would love to play that way again. I'm not sure how it would exist in 14 but would love to see it happen.

[Egon]

Let's not talk about what Tanaka-era XI thought about job roles.

This. I would say more job roles were defined by the player base than defined by Tanaka. SAM, NIN, RDM, DRK and even lolDRG come to mind.

[BerenTebogo]

SAM AF1 had almost as much enmity on it as WAR and PLD AF did. No other class had +enmity on their base AF.

I don't really know how else one would interpret that. "Yes, we want our DD job to have +enmity so they screw up the party mechanic balance more often!"

[scaevola]

from what I understand with NIN is that it wasn't even supposed to be a tank job in 11, that's just what the player base did to it. I could go either way with DRK, a tank job with black magic to support itself through drains, aspir, etc. or a pure DPS with a wicked scythe. The only reason I kinda go with DRK tank is that aren't DRKs PLDs that defected? I can't remember exactly where I remember this from though

It wasn't. Until like 2009 there was absolutely nothing in the job's repertoire that lent itself to tanking. It's just that Utsusemi was SO LUDICROUSLY OVERPOWERED that it eclipsed everything else the job could have ever been capable of doing.

[Niiro]

SAM AF1 had almost as much enmity on it as WAR and PLD AF did. No other class had +enmity on their base AF.

I don't really know how else one would interpret that. "Yes, we want our DD job to have +enmity so they screw up the party mechanic balance more often!"

And DRK had MND on their AF so they could sub RDM and help heal.

And PLD AF had CHR so it would help with voke enmity and increase their songs when /BRD.

[Edelweiss]

Fixed for relevance.

No. Goddamnit, stop summoning him.

[Tyrath]

And DRK had MND on their AF so they could sub RDM and help heal.

And PLD AF had CHR so it would help with voke enmity and increase their songs when /BRD.

Drk has mnd on their AF because it was a modifier on some Weapon skills. I can't answer the pld CHR shit, but SAM being the only non tank job to have enmity still hints at their original intentions with Sam.

[Lucavi]

Drg AF having chr. Fuck you, Tanaka.

Blm AF having far more defense than Drg AF. Fuck you, Tanaka.

[Obsidian]

More importantly, when is Dark Knight gonna be added? I need.

It's already a fish. What more do you want?

[Detzu]

That is correct. SAM was supposed to be a parry tank that used SCs to hold hate. NIN was given shadows to help it out as a mob pulling job.

I personally would love to see DRK as a tank job, I MTed for years in 11 on DRK and would love to play that way again. I'm not sure how it would exist in 14 but would love to see it happen.

I miss my Apocalypse :/

[BerenTebogo]

I was dicking around on my dailies today and had just changed jobs (I changed to WHM quick to raise someone, I'm so nice) and couldn't do shit for 30s so was just auto-attacking on WAR, got me thinking. It'd be cool if they added some non-standard stats like Ridill's OAT/OA3 etc. I mean, since it only applies to AA, it isn't going to be a huge increase, but having it be like a mirror droprate from T9 or something so it's just a nice tiny bonus to rewards we're already getting would be nice. Wouldn't break the game or anything, if anything it may add 10 DPS to 1 person, while being the same ilvl.

Such really small things they could do to improve QOL for raid content / rewards. Really surprised they neglect it to the levels they have.

[Takiwaki]

Auto attack is huge chunk of dps, especially with jobs like MNK, ridill type weapon will def break the game.

[BerenTebogo]

Auto attack is huge chunk of dps, especially with jobs like MNK, ridill type weapon will def break the game.

Looking at our T8 win + other T8 parses from last night of our 3 melee who all did 360-390 DPS the average AA DPS for them is 105 or lower. Throw a 5% chance to AT or A3x and you're not breaking the game, sorry, lol.

Edit: Math after a few beers, be warned: (100 + .05*200 + .05*300) = 125 which on a DPS who is doing average 375 DPS for ideal fight like T8 you have an increase of 6.7% DPS to one person on a rare drop off of T9. Yeah, game breaking.

[Takiwaki]

Looking at our T8 win + other T8 parses from last night of our 3 melee who all did 360-390 DPS the average AA DPS for them is 105 or lower. Throw a 5% chance to AT or A3x and you're not breaking the game, sorry, lol.

Sorry thought you were going by ridills OAT, which is much higher than 5% chance, but even though it would be nice to have, yoshi already said they wont be adding stuff like that =/.

[BerenTebogo]

Did he say that? Fuck him man, he sucks, lol. Also, as referenced above, beer. Ignore antagonism.

[Taint]

DMG > main stat > Secondaries will be our entire DPS career. The math part of this game is pretty much over. Now its just fine tuning rotations after each patch.

[Sho]

No. Goddamnit, stop summoning him.

lel.

[SamanosukeShiva]

I think if ninja ever gonna be introduced, it's more likely to be from pugilist with lv15 requirement from new class.

[Takiwaki]

I think if ninja ever gonna be introduced, it's more likely to be from pugilist with lv15 requirement from new class.

Its gonna be lvl 15 archer, require dex and use throw commands.

[Obsidian]

Wouldn't be surprised in the least if THF and/or NIN cross-class PUG and ARC or ARC and LNC.