.DAT Mining: 5/14/2014 Update - Findings and Discussion

[Sechs]

Ungh... the time it takes to farm 300 Alex is not comparable to the time it takes to farm 300 HP Bayld.
Granted that you need less than half HP Bayld, but still...
Maybe there's more to come to the system, more ways to farm HP Bayld, more ways to farm Bayld, some KI that gives you better exchange rates... whatever I don't know.
But as things look now, this is a really unexpected turn considering the insane pre-req (which was, rightfully, leading many of us to think into lighter post-req) and the current state of the game compared to how things were when they added Mythics.

But this is old news.
9999 looks like a very strange number... better than the 12500 everybody was expecting though.

[Tachi]

We defeated VD Lancelord in 15 min with PLD/RUN (19% on parser) MNK/RUN (36%) MNK/RUN (16%, he was chaining R0s) SMN (29% with Ramuh) WHM BRD, could have have been a <10 min win if the MNKs didn't get killed at a moment. /run does about 1/3 to 1/2 of the total damage. I noticed the Lancelord can randomly hit for 900-1200 (non-crit) dmg, this is not normal even with low DT/Counterstance, his RAs and Angon TP moves can get a boost too.

[CubsWoo]

So just to have it all in one place, these are the item/quest requirements for the Ergon weapons to the best of our knowledge:

Pre-req: Legend rank in all coalitions
Phase 1: BC Fight + 100 H-P Bayld
Phase 2: 200 Ghastly Stones + 1 random boss crafting material drop from all 3 tier 1 Delve megabosses (Myuingwa, Dakuwaqa,Tojil) + 500 H-P Bayld
Phase 3: 200 Verdigris Stones + 1 random boss crafting material drop from all 3 tier 2 Delve megabosses (Cailimh, Wopket, Utkux) + 2,500 H-P Bayld
Phase 4: 200 Wailing Stones + Pristine Yggrete Crystal (2,500,000 plasm from Inventor's Coalition) + 9,999 H-P Bayld

If you wanted to buy it all yourself with Adoulin currencies, you'd need:

130,990,000 bayld (slightly less if you buy the H-P Bayld in bulk from the Mithra due to kickbacks)
70,000 Obsidian Fragments
4,300,000 plasm

[Fwahm]

Do you mean 3,400,000 plasm?

[Zerowone]

His math is correct.
Plasm wise if you are to buy the items: Phase 2 (900,000) + Phase 3 (900,000) : Total = 1,800,000 + Phase 4 (2,500,000) = 4,300,000

[ccl]

Now they need to allow us to get bayld killing monster like we do for cp/is and people wanting a mythic might make party for bayld/job point!

[Damane]

So just to have it all in one place, these are the item/quest requirements for the Ergon weapons to the best of our knowledge:

Pre-req: Legend rank in all coalitions
Phase 1: BC Fight + 100 H-P Bayld
Phase 2: 200 Ghastly Stones + 1 random boss crafting material drop from all 3 tier 1 Delve megabosses (Myuingwa, Dakuwaqa,Tojil) + 500 H-P Bayld
Phase 3: 200 Verdigris Stones + 1 random boss crafting material drop from all 3 tier 2 Delve megabosses (Cailimh, Wopket, Utkux) + 2,500 H-P Bayld
Phase 4: 200 Wailing Stones + Pristine Yggrete Crystal (2,500,000 plasm from Inventor's Coalition) + 9,999 H-P Bayld

If you wanted to buy it all yourself with Adoulin currencies, you'd need:

130,990,000 bayld (slightly less if you buy the H-P Bayld in bulk from the Mithra due to kickbacks)
70,000 Obsidian Fragments
4,300,000 plasm

the plasm and obsidian fragments part arent the major cockblock, but the 131 million bayld is ugh... like really ugh

if you manage to get 100k bayld per day thats still 1300 days left to go lol

[dasva]

Well plasm is still somewhat annoying especially since you can't trade/buy (not effectively anyways). Kinda like the assualt portion of mythics back in the day if you didn't have to wait on tags. But not as much as block HP is right now. It almost seems to me that SE make the requirement based on the huge amount of bayld out in the servers and the few people that would go for the weapons. Unfortunately despite most people sitting on over a million most people are just sitting on it or offering it for hgh amounts

[Karbuncle]

the plasm and obsidian fragments part arent the major cockblock, but the 131 million bayld is ugh... like really ugh

if you manage to get 100k bayld per day thats still 1300 days left to go lol

I'd really hope you wouldn't just flat out get them all through Bayld alone lol. I mean, they have a pretty solid chance to come from WKR (100%?), which is basically free to enter if you participate enough, they do come from regular rieves too right? (I'm not sure on that).

Soul Pyres can eat a dong. 131mil is still a bit on the stupid side, I'd say 20/50k Bayld > 1 HQ would be a tad more reasonable. Thankfully there are more sources though, especially buying them.

[Yeager]

Out of curiosity, is there a way to convert your Bayld to HP Bayld from an NPC without having to be on the Ergon weapon upgrade quest? I did try looking through this thread for information, but the only NPCs listed are related to the Ergon weapon upgrade questline. When I tried to speak to them, I got nowhere.

I ask because a couple of guys in my LS are sitting on a ton of Bayld. (one with 670k, one with 1.9M) and they wanted to donate a large chunk of HP Bayld to me for my RUN Ergon upgrade

[NynJa]

the plasm and obsidian fragments part arent the major cockblock, but the 131 million bayld is ugh... like really ugh

if you manage to get 100k bayld per day thats still 1300 days left to go lol

You're not factoring the HP bayld you'll get while getting that Bayld though

[EjinCaitsith]

the plasm and obsidian fragments part arent the major cockblock, but the 131 million bayld is ugh... like really ugh

if you manage to get 100k bayld per day thats still 1300 days left to go lol

The reign of the casual is over. The rise of the hardcore is nigh.

[Johnblaze]

Out of curiosity, is there a way to convert your Bayld to HP Bayld from an NPC without having to be on the Ergon weapon upgrade quest? I did try looking through this thread for information, but the only NPCs listed are related to the Ergon weapon upgrade questline. When I tried to speak to them, I got nowhere.

I ask because a couple of guys in my LS are sitting on a ton of Bayld. (one with 670k, one with 1.9M) and they wanted to donate a large chunk of HP Bayld to me for my RUN Ergon upgrade

Yes, you can exchange Bayld for HP Bayld with the same NPC even if you didn't start it. I've already donated some to someone in LS doing GEO club

[CubsWoo]

Out of curiosity, is there a way to convert your Bayld to HP Bayld from an NPC without having to be on the Ergon weapon upgrade quest? I did try looking through this thread for information, but the only NPCs listed are related to the Ergon weapon upgrade questline. When I tried to speak to them, I got nowhere.

I ask because a couple of guys in my LS are sitting on a ton of Bayld. (one with 670k, one with 1.9M) and they wanted to donate a large chunk of HP Bayld to me for my RUN Ergon upgrade

Once they talk to the Mithra/Leafkin combo in Eastern Adoulin she'll let you convert bayld->HPB. I'm still 1-2 months away from finishing max coalition rank and have already converted plenty.

[Damane]

You're not factoring the HP bayld you'll get while getting that Bayld though

I am not but the drop rate is relativ low

[Prothescar]

in the course of getting such an exorbant amount of bayld, you're probably pretty likely going to get at least 15% of your HP bayld via pyres/reive drops/etc. unless you buy a majority of it (good luck with that)

[Damane]

I'd really hope you wouldn't just flat out get them all through Bayld alone lol. I mean, they have a pretty solid chance to come from WKR (100%?), which is basically free to enter if you participate enough, they do come from regular rieves too right? (I'm not sure on that).

Soul Pyres can eat a dong. 131mil is still a bit on the stupid side, I'd say 20/50k Bayld > 1 HQ would be a tad more reasonable. Thankfully there are more sources though, especially buying them.

WKR are a horrible way to get 1 HP bayld guaranteed. yes you get your bayld back you spent entering, but the time needed to kill them if there arent alot of people present is shit ¬.¬.

[NynJa]

WKR are a horrible way to get 1 HP bayld guaranteed. yes you get your bayld back you spent entering, but the time needed to kill them if there arent alot of people present is shit ¬.¬.

Blame people being allowed to use Trusts in WKR, they summon their trust then fight adds since if they attack the boss they cant resummon their trust when it inevitably dies. Sure you might have 40 people in a WKR, but if 35 of them are AFK with their trust / fighting adds, you only have 5 people.

[CubsWoo]

Running Foret colonization reives solo I'd peg the HP drop rate at maybe 15% or so. You pick up a decent chunk of bayld doing the reives themselves as well, but anyone with 2-3+ accounts will probably be best served doing 1-1-1 Skirmishes, hitting the Bayld noetic and warping out if you want the best bayld/hr rate. Multiboxing Ra'kaznar colo reives can also work since those are on a 20 minute repop.

[ccl]

It's your own fault for not stacking bayld since adoulin got released it was obvious we would need an absurd amount for run/geo mythic!