.DAT Mining: 5/14/2014 Update - Findings and Discussion

[Prothescar]

You also have to figure in the wear it's putting on your computer parts, especially if you're leaving a computer on overnight where you otherwise wouldn't. FFXI has always put an undue amount of stress on your cpu and hdd due to how incredibly poorly optimized it is, but I suppose there are ways to lessen that with ultra low graphics settings, .dat swaps, etc.

this is a big thing that I was going to mention but forgot to. two things kill CPU components: voltage and heat. if you have poor cooling, it's hot, etc. it amplifies the wear on your components. 40~50w on CPU and 70~100w on GPU isn't a lot, but if you consider you're running a current through your chips 24 hours a day, it adds up very quickly. turning the PC off/back on puts a huge spike of voltage through the system, too, but this can be mitigated a lot by using Sleep instead of Shut Down.

[ccl]

Actually not a bad idea... especially since I got all my gear, crafting etc mules soa access for those periods where you could get crazy stuff from the flotsam and I have to log onto them for the log in points anyways... and in the process level them up so they can do speed runs in salvage!

Execpt I can't do math and it's 40 a day not 400 ;;

[dasva]

True though who is going to have a computer, use it to fish bot 24/7 that wasn't even going to run it otherwise..., actually leave all components and peripherals up and running when only botting but only fish with one character lol

[Prothescar]

you would be surprised how few people realize the cost of time on PC components

[Sechs]

I'm not reactivating my second account mule for similar reasons.
Not enough time, tight money irl and can't really be bothered with dualboxing anymore (always hated it, tbf).
I do have a same-account mule though, level 5, and I was wondering... well, it would actually be a nice thing to do to use it once every 2 weeks to spam easy imprimaturs and farm some bayld.
What would I need for that? Considering that my mule is level 5, what would I need to get to Adoulin and do imprimaturs?

There has to be a minimum level or something, somewhere?

[NynJa]

my lv5 mule (back from first bonanza that required lv5) has mog garden access, which requires getting a pioneer badge, which i believe is all thats needed for ops

[Sechs]

So I guess I would just have to bring my mule to jeuno and do the Adoulin quest, whatever it is I don't even remember, think you had to visit a geomagnetic fount or something no?
Can probably do that solo even at level 5.

[Sechs]

I think the problem is convincing people to part with it because they think it might be used for ergon weapons for other jobs.

Saw a lot of people saying this.
Now... can't say I can rule it out such a possibility (it would have its meaning: more jobs looking after HP Bayld in theory should mean more people doing SoA content, compared to the amount that would bother with it given that GEO and RUN aren't exactely the 2 most loved jobs of the game), but at the same time I don't think it's particularly likely.

I could have seen it coming 100% if the Two ergon weapons were something completely different (aftermaths, WSs etc) but it turns out they really are just renamed Mythics that you get in a different way, which is what they always promised so it makes sense.
I mean... what would an old job Ergon weapon be? They already have real Mythics, they don't need proto-mythics. That would mean releasing 20 more weapons, each with a new WS, each with the same aftermath system as the old mythics.
From this point of view it doesn't make sense at all to release Ergon Weapons for the old jobs.
Add to this the natural idiosincrasy that SE showed regarding RME weapons since the release of SoA. Do you people really expect Ergon weapons for the other jobs?


Not really.
If anything I would expect some more use for HP Bayld (reforged Empy armor? some other shit?), but not really more ergon weapons.

[NynJa]

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/The_Geomagnetron

[dasva]

Execpt I can't do math and it's 40 a day not 400 ;;

Actually doing the math it seems even lower. 4750 for 1 tag kahmir run which is the highest I know of right now. 19k per character per day with 10 mules would be about 21HPs... kinda dissapointing really. On par with going thru and farming dynamis or salvage I think. Though the ability to do so naked with no real thought or effort while leveling jobs is kinda nice I suppose

[Priran]

Saw a lot of people saying this.
Now... can't say I can rule it out such a possibility (it would have its meaning: more jobs looking after HP Bayld in theory should mean more people doing SoA content, compared to the amount that would bother with it given that GEO and RUN aren't exactely the 2 most loved jobs of the game), but at the same time I don't think it's particularly likely.

I could have seen it coming 100% if the Two ergon weapons were something completely different (aftermaths, WSs etc) but it turns out they really are just renamed Mythics that you get in a different way, which is what they always promised so it makes sense.
I mean... what would an old job Ergon weapon be? They already have real Mythics, they don't need proto-mythics. That would mean releasing 20 more weapons, each with a new WS, each with the same aftermath system as the old mythics.
From this point of view it doesn't make sense at all to release Ergon Weapons for the old jobs.
Add to this the natural idiosincrasy that SE showed regarding RME weapons since the release of SoA. Do you people really expect Ergon weapons for the other jobs?


Not really.
If anything I would expect some more use for HP Bayld (reforged Empy armor? some other shit?), but not really more ergon weapons.

More "Ergon Weapons"? Unlikely, yeah. But that doesn't preclude a totally separate class of SoA rmes, which SE has teased:

Spoiler'd for huge

Spoiler: show

[Lyramion]

btw can you exchange HP bayld before hitting all Legend? Friend says NPC wont give her any. This would cockblock any mule bayld idead being tossed around and also severely limit the current influx of HP bayld.

[Priran]

btw can you exchange HP bayld before hitting all Legend? Friend says NPC wont give her any. This would cockblock any mule bayld idead being tossed around and also severely limit the current influx of HP bayld.

Yes. You have to sit through all the dialogue about turning in bayld/spark gear and then ask the NPC about her leafkin.

[NynJa]

Actually doing the math it seems even lower. 4750 for 1 tag kahmir run which is the highest I know of right now. 19k per character per day with 10 mules would be about 21HPs... kinda dissapointing really. On par with going thru and farming dynamis or salvage I think. Though the ability to do so naked with no real thought or effort while leveling jobs is kinda nice I suppose

You dont just jump to doing Kamihr...

[Sechs]

More "Ergon Weapons"? Unlikely, yeah. But that doesn't preclude a totally separate class of SoA rmes, which SE has teased:

Again, can't rule that possibility out. But seeing the idiosincrasy of SE towards RME weapons (because it creates the "RME or no invite" and because it makes other non rme weapons not interesting and not sought after), because it would be different (if they really wanted to created a completely new category of weapons, they would have used the new model for RUN and GEO, no?), because they announced new "multi job weapons" and because I think those in the artworks, if they'll get used, will be weapons from 7th naakual and/or new end-game event (they're bound to be adding something else).

I welcome new uses for HP bayld so that more people will be interested in farming them, but I expect (and hope?) they will be for other purposes, and not a new category of weapons.

[dasva]

You dont just jump to doing Kamihr...

Really?

[Lyramion]

Yes. You have to sit through all the dialogue about turning in bayld/spark gear and then ask the NPC about her leafkin.

Thx, friend stupid then since I told her to do so.

Anyway current price for HP seems to be 50k from rich JPs. Tried to tease him with my amount of 200 in 5k steps from 100k down but wouldnt have it before. So around 700 mil if you just buy it up atm.

[ccl]

700m isn't that bad to farm atm and if you enjoy run/geo it's better/cheaper than afterglow!(maybe it's just asura, but I know at least 5 people working on afterglow atm)

[Fwahm]

30k seems to be the standard price that people are buying at on Sylph.

[CoreyX]

lol @ people seriously discussing the strain of fishbotting on their computers. This is why people think capped gil is chump change. Legitimately making 700 million gil to make a GEO/RUN mythic would take a long, long time