.DAT Mining: 5/14/2014 Update - Findings and Discussion

[Sechs]

I don't recall this either, only talk of new power-weapons for RUN/GEO on the level of Mythics.

Yeah! And they were so against-RME in the beginning that it took them several months just to release upgrades for old RME (they didn't want to at start, if you recall) so it seems a bit strange they specifically mentioned a new category of RME-like weapons (aside from the already mentioned Ergon ones for RUN and GEO).
Now maybe I simply forgot that, but I really do not remember anything about it.

This doesn't absolutely mean that they won't ever release them, who knows, but given how Ergon weapons aren't really a "new category" but just mythic-like, I find it unlikely. I mean, what sort of Ergon weapons would they release for the other jobs? They don't need "mythic-like" weapons, since they already have Mythic.

[Fwahm]

I'm sure its been posted elsewhere but I'll ask for the sake of clarity.

You can reach legend rank in all Coalitions in ~53 days from scratch? This is the only time barrier in the process?

Don't you need 210 days?

There's 7 rank ups per coalition, 6 coalitions, it takes 20 tags to rank up if you do the highest level assignments only, and you get 4 per day. That's 7*6*20/4=210 days.

It'd be slightly less optimally because you'd get the KI that brings cooldown down by 30 minutes, but that's not very much.

[Ophannus]

I don't remember them saying this.
Did they?

[Fake]

Don't you need 210 days?

There's 7 rank ups per coalition, 6 coalitions, it takes 20 tags to rank up if you do the highest level assignments only, and you get 4 per day. That's 7*6*20/4=210 days.

It'd be slightly less optimally because you'd get the KI that brings cooldown down by 30 minutes, but that's not very much.

Yes I only skimmed the wiki page and counted wrong.

175 Tags to get to Legend at 5.5hrs per tag = 962.5hrs to reach legend in 1 coalition.

So closer to 240 days, this is based on BG wiki showing 25 tags for Partner and Advisor rankups, 30 for Magnate and 35 for legend.

240 days is a ludicrous amount of time for a pre-req. The "you've had over a year to do coalitions" argument is nonsensical but I'm sure someone will point it out.

[Ophannus]

I don't remember them saying this.
Did they?

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Then again, they all have a sun/wing/star motif so maybe they are drops from the Light Wyrm Naakual in a final delve which is really a 7 Naakual Boss-Rush Legion where you fight all the delve bosses, 36 member or 18 member, 60 minutes(and entry requires all members to have the 6 Delve KIs handy on their character and consumed upon entry!)


The video that showcased this gear also showed Artsieq, Qaaxo and Xaddi gear so maybe this other stuff is coming up soon. That white/red armor might potentially be RUN Empyrean Armor(Ergon Armor is probably its name and is equivalent to AF3+2 stuff). That Winged Sword might be a white wyrm GS drop or part of the new set of ultimate weapons(might also be PLD's SoA RME equivalent 1h sword) That white armor could be RUN AF3 or potentially PLD AF4, it's hard to tell. Red in PLD gear is a little offputting as they're realy more of a white/gold/blue and the bottom part of the surcoat resembles RUN more(especially with the sharply bladed shoulder pauldrons. They also have pointy collars and rolled cuffs on the arm sleeves which is more RUN than PLD.

[Sechs]

this is based on BG wiki showing 25 tags for Partner and Advisor rankups, 30 for Magnate and 35 for legend.

That's wrong.
If you use the max rank available assignments for your current rank in that coalition, each rankup is always gonna require 20 imprimaturs.
The further down the assignements you're doing are to your current rank, the more imprimaturs you'll need.
For instance if you're Advisor and do Advisor assignments, it's gonna take 20 imprimaturs to get Magnate.
But if you were to do the first rank assignments it would take you waaaaay more.

I cannot complain since I've been legend for months, but to be fair it's quite a demanding pre-requirement. Considering how demanding it is, I was expecting something easier/faster/cheaper for the other stages. Not that they're that bad either, but... yeah.
There's virtually nothing gating/slowing you down once you've done the pre-req though. So you could probably get it done in a day if you had the gil/plasm/bayld.
And this is probably why to counterbalance the lack of gating in this part, they used a very steep pre-requirement.
Not sure if I like it or not yet.

[ccl]

Don't you need 210 days?

There's 7 rank ups per coalition, 6 coalitions, it takes 20 tags to rank up if you do the highest level assignments only, and you get 4 per day. That's 7*6*20/4=210 days.

It'd be slightly less optimally because you'd get the KI that brings cooldown down by 30 minutes, but that's not very much.

I missed there was such a KI; what's it's called/how do we get it?

[Ophannus]

Why are people complaining about the Legend rank prereq as if they're sitting on 200 million bayld or something? Just do the assignments little by little while gradually acquiring bayld from them and other sources. No point in complaining about the coalition rank prereq unless you somehow managed to acquire a few thousand High Purity Baylds before finishing coalitions ranks.

[Sechs]

I missed there was such a KI; what's it's called/how do we get it?

There are four.
The first two give you one additional imprimatur stock (up to 16) and -30 mins recharge. They're the Bronze series and you get them once you've completed all quests and assignments up to a certain patch/rank.
Do all the quests/assignments released since then 'til before yesterday's patch, and you'll receive 2 more KIs, the silver series.
Basically the first bunch will grant you a not particularly significative but still welcome help with roughly half of the assignments you have to do, the second bunch will do absolutely nothing because by the time you get them you'll be legend in all coalitions already.

[Fwahm]

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Then again, they all have a sun/wing/star motif so maybe they are drops from the Light Wyrm Naakual in a final delve which is really a 7 Naakual Boss-Rush Legion where you fight all the delve bosses, 36 member or 18 member, 60 minutes(and entry requires all members to have the 6 Delve KIs handy on their character and consumed upon entry!)


The video that showcased this gear also showed Artsieq, Qaaxo and Xaddi gear so maybe this other stuff is coming up soon. That white/red armor might potentially be RUN Empyrean Armor(Ergon Armor is probably its name and is equivalent to AF3+2 stuff). That Winged Sword might be a white wyrm GS drop or part of the new set of ultimate weapons(might also be PLD's SoA RME equivalent 1h sword) That white armor could be RUN AF3 or potentially PLD AF4, it's hard to tell. Red in PLD gear is a little offputting as they're realy more of a white/gold/blue and the bottom part of the surcoat resembles RUN more(especially with the sharply bladed shoulder pauldrons. They also have pointy collars and rolled cuffs on the arm sleeves which is more RUN than PLD.

There's no light wyrm Naakual.

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The last Naakual is going to be a demon or umbril-esque elemental.

[Sechs]

Why are people complaining

I think the reason is that it's a very time-consuming gating system that artificially slows down players because of how often you can do assignments and consequentially how much time will be required for you to reach the required conditions (approximatively 200 days).
This is longer than any other previous requirement we've seen for anything in this game so far, and it's particularly out of place given the current state of the game (which is much faster/easier than it used to be, say, 5+ years ago).

It's not about it being easy or hard, just artificially time-consuming, probably more than anything has ever been in FFXI, with no possible way of making it faster.
On Relics you had several gating systems but in the end if you wanted you could complete everything in a couple of weeks if you had money/currency.
Mythics gated you down with Nyzul Points, Einherjar points and Assault tags (at least 50 days). Back when you could only do einherjar twice a week that was probably very time consuming, but I don't think it ever got as far as 200 days minimum (it's of course much faster today with the 20hrs or 24hrs cooldowns)
Empyreal didn't have much gating system either. If you had the gil/KIs and stuff was actually on the market, you could complete everything very very fast.

Don't want to go as far as to say what is better and what is worse, but 200 days would have been steep even during the golden years of FFXI, it seems even more out of place today.

[Ophannus]

SE should have given the Mattock/Shovel items earlier to be honest. That would decrease the time it takes to complete it seeing as how 2 of the items reduce imprimatur cooldown by 30min each or so but one of them you don't get till all ranks are advisor and the other you get when all ranks are already at legend.

[Fwahm]

It's not longer "by far" than Mythics at 75 were. If you had no assault progress, you had to do every one twice (100 days), plus Nyzul Tokens (let's say you could clear 10 floors at 75, so around 2500 tokens per tag). That's 160 days if you start from scratch.

In comparison to Coalition assignments, it's 20% shorter, but on the other hand, you can solo Legend rank. You can't do that with mythics now, and you needed 3+ for every single assault at 75 as well.

[ccl]

There are four.
The first two give you one additional imprimatur stock (up to 16) and -30 mins recharge. They're the Bronze series and you get them once you've completed all quests and assignments up to a certain patch/rank.
Do all the quests/assignments released since then 'til before yesterday's patch, and you'll receive 2 more KIs, the silver series.
Basically the first bunch will grant you a not particularly significative but still welcome help with roughly half of the assignments you have to do, the second bunch will do absolutely nothing because by the time you get them you'll be legend in all coalitions already.

thank you

[Sechs]

It's not longer "by far" than Mythics at 75 were.
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You're right, I forgot it's 100 for Assaults and I underestimated Nyzul at 75 =/
The difference is smaller and "only" 20%, but given how much different content released these days works, something that pre-requires a 200days thing still sounds very very out of place given the standards the game has nowadays.
I've been legend in all coalition for ranks, I don't think I'm talking out of personal frustration bias.

[Ophannus]

Yeah wish they let us buy a few of those KI with Bayld like we could with Abyssea/VW KIs. Just to shorten the timer's a bit. Shortening the recast of imps to 4hour base would be better, though they do give substantial bayld. If you're making an Ergon weapon, there's no reason to not do any other coalition assignment other than deliver kahmir which gives like 12k bayld and takes 30seconds to do. Wish they didn't nerf the XP/Bayld down from 22k though :I

If they make other uses for HP Bayld, people who have stockpiled bayld since day 1 will become very rich. Here's hoping they introduce a new series of weapons/gear that require HP Bayld for people like me that are sitting on like 7m bayld.

[Priran]

the Light Wyrm Naakual

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Sajj'aka is not the last Naakual. He specifically states that he is not, and that somebody named "The Deathborne Xol" is. He lead the "Cimmerian Adherents" before swearing allegiance to August, which battled August in Yorcia.

[Fwahm]

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Sajj'aka is not the last Naakual. He specifically states that he is not, and that somebody named "The Deathborne Xol" is. He leads the "Cimmerian Adherents", which battled August in Yorcia; given your interactions with the Blackthorn Coven, they might be the same group.

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He doesn't lead the Cimmerian Adherents; Hades does. The Cimmerian Adherents is just a name for the hordes of evil that are investing the Ulbuka region; Xol was one of Hades's generals before he defected, but not the leader. The Blackthorn Coven come from an unspecified region west of Ulbuka.

[ccl]

Yeah Ergon wpn and job point really feels out of place atm, but I guess they noticed we're getting bored/clearing stuff too fast so they tried to release long term goal to keep use busy/playing.

[Priran]

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He doesn't lead the Cimmerian Adherents; Hades does. The Cimmerian Adherents is just a name for the hordes of evil that are investing the Ulbuka region; Xol was one of Hades's generals before he defected, but not the leader. The Blackthorn Coven come from an unspecified region west of Ulbuka.

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Also I edited that post, I realized something after I wrote that