XIV at E3 2014 (June 10-12)

[Karbuncle]

Well, They may have simply been hinting that Rogue will eventually lead to Thief, I mean if nothing else, they chose those pieces of armor and the color green for some reason. Not saying it'll for sure come out in 2.4 but It at least feels like to me, that THF will be coming somewhere down the line, if not announced closer to 2.4.

[Raldo]

If THF happens, I hope its AF is reminiscent of Locke not this wife-beater FFXI AF shit. NIN certainly gave off the ol' FFVI vibe.

[Ratatapa]

If THF happens, I hope its AF is reminiscent of Locke not this wife-beater FFXI AF shit.

Locke is already there

Goldsmith af dyed

[Spider-Dan]

If THF job is yet another DD, I will laugh/cry.

Also for anyone who thought it would be a tank (and I really was kinda hoping it would be), there's no evasion stat in the game, so make of that what you will.

A combination of +parry gear and -accuracy debuffs (e.g. blind) would effectively replace +evasion.

The Dark Knight archetype is a tank in every other fucking MMO except Final Fantasy. Usually based off of AoE dots and lots of life leeching.

I doubt pirate(/gambler) is associated with support in many other games, and I don't think Ninja is strongly associated with dual wielding outside of FF.

FF has it's own established archetypes.

[Alderaan]

Some idiot proposed DRK tank on the forum, are you up for that? lol

The Dark Knight archetype is a tank in every other fucking MMO except Final Fantasy. Usually based off of AoE dots and lots of life leeching.

Now, making it only a tank is the wrong way to go. This game desperately needs stances or something that allows us to play each class/job in multiple ways.

[Karbuncle]

If THF happens, I hope its AF is reminiscent of Locke not this wife-beater FFXI AF shit.

Would be nice if they went that way, but tradionally THF AF has always been a little bland/doofy. FFXI AF was actually close to the original look... well, the female model was.

FF1
http://www.ffcompendium.com/jobimages/1wsc-thief-o.gif

FF3

Spoiler: show

http://www.ffcompendium.com/jobimage...efluneth-a.jpg
http://www.ffcompendium.com/jobimage...iefrefia-a.jpg

FF11

Spoiler: show

http://www.ffcompendium.com/jobimages/11-thief-a.jpg

[Rocl]

excuse me you used a remake sprite for FF1 the original was:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ef-ff1-nes.png

but yes from 3 forward THF had the green bandanna look going on

[Cutriss]

Authoritative:http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2.../FFT_Thief.jpg

And yes I do realize that FFT had Little Red Riding Hood for female ninjas.

[Serenseven]

That's not just like Manawall. That is Manawall, albeit with a short duration and 1 more "shadow". So you'd have BLMs running around with the ability to ignore up to 5 physical attacks every 2 minutes. I personally wouldn't mind, but I can't imagine that it would be good for balance. (BLMs would become viable off-tanks in situations involving short-lived adds.)

Unless BLM's subclasses were changed, it would only be available to THM, not BLM.

Reading comprehension test:

Utsusemi
Cast: Instant
Recast: 2 mins
Effect: Allows you to dodge the next 3 direct attacks for 10 seconds
Cross Class: Yes : all jobs

[Karbuncle]

excuse me you used a remake sprite for FF1 the original was:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ef-ff1-nes.png

but yes from 3 forward THF had the green bandanna look going on

I equate FF1 oldschool sprite to technical limitations > _>

[Spider-Dan]

Reading comprehension test:

So your interpretation of his statement was NOT that he meant Cross Class to all classes (like, say, Stoneskin, and unlike, say, Cleric Stance), but rather that every job would have one of its two subclasses changed to Rogue?

In that case, BLM using Manawall and Utsusemi is not quite the first logical obstacle.

[Serenseven]

So your interpretation of his statement was NOT that he meant Cross Class to all classes (like, say, Stoneskin, and unlike, say, Cleric Stance), but rather that every job would have one of its two subclasses changed to Rogue?

In that case, BLM using Manawall and Utsusemi is not quite the first logical obstacle.

I never claimed it made sense, just that he did in fact say every job and not every class.

And yes, as the number of classes/jobs increases, I do expect jobs to pick up at least a third subclass (and BLM taking rogue for a subclass doesn't make any less sense than it taking archer as a subclass).

[Tyrath]

(and BLM taking rogue for a subclass doesn't make any less sense than it taking archer as a subclass).

Things BLM and ARC have in common: Ranged

Things BLM and ROG have in common: ?????

[Serenseven]

Things BLM and ARC have in common: Ranged

Things BLM and ROG have in common: ?????

If ROG is like the rogue classes in other MMOs, the ability to do quick heavy damage when certain conditions are met (stealth-breaking/directionals for rogues, procs for BLMs).

[Tyrath]

Based on how they were talking about poisons and statuses, probably not.

[ronin sparthos]

With Ninja being the DPS branch on Rogue, what exactly would THF be hoping to accomplish? Usually THF is the job with poisons, traps, stealth, backstabbing and since XIV follows the mentality of wanting to be as homogeneous as possible for sake of barance, I'm curious how they'd go about making NIN markedly different from THF.

Unless we get thrown for a loop and THF in this game goes crossbow. Which would be fucking awesome just sayin'

[Spider-Dan]

And yes, as the number of classes/jobs increases, I do expect jobs to pick up at least a third subclass

I don't.

Existing classes should be getting new jobs, and those new jobs should be integrating the new classes. For example, Archer's second job would be Ranger (which could use Lancer and Musketeer as its subclasses).

Adding a third subclass just steers the game back towards the hated "everyone equips the same actions" paradigm of Tanaka 1.0. There would be no point in progressing down that path in a game that enforces cookie-cutter playstyles as much as this one.

[Deadgye]

Oh god, SE put up a 6.5 hours video on youtube for anybody who missed day 1 while it was happening. Anybody have a condensed sparknotes version of everything I missed? <.<;

[Vaspinne]

Oh god, SE put up a 6.5 hours video on youtube for anybody who missed day 1 while it was happening. Anybody have a condensed sparknotes version of everything I missed? <.<;

FFType-O is on PS4... or Vita... or Maybe both. No one really knows, not even Sony.
FFXIV 2.3 stuff wasn't discussed much at all. The Primals trailer showed Shiva at the end because SE America thought that Ramuh wasn't sexy enough for the US audience. Oh, and Gay Marriage is A-okay! Also, Rogue is new class, Ninja is new job, a DD that sounds like it's gonna specialize in status affects. They also are looking to FC crafters being able to build stuff in the basements of their FC houses (Like custom Airships)


Annnnnd..... that's all that mattered from today.

Edit: They also remade that FFVII motorcycle minigame as a free phone app.

[Blasta]

Only Tanaka knows how to baranse the job/class system properly. Major changes to the existing job/class system inc. next thursday! Wait for it.