XIV at E3 2014 (June 10-12)

[Edelweiss]

You do realize it's an ongoing complaint with Coil as a whole, right?

[Lokus]

Complains about Coil lockout, hasn't cleared T7.

Because people that clear coil don't also have these complaints.

[Kelenae]

Honestly, i'm taking this as baby steps for SE. I kinda wanna see what they can come up with on the expansion with all the feedback they've been getting on end-game. I really hope they change how end game is when the expansion comes around.

[Sho]

I'm not forgetting them but those aren't dual wielded. Yeah they could change them in 2.4 but why didn't they simply remove those from ARR considering Rogue was obviously planned already? All I'm saying is that all endgame weapons will likely be NIN exclusives because of how they'll look. Katanas will be classified as daggers for obvious reasons but I don't see Rogue using them. Ninja could also require different stats given their abilities, something they don't share with Rogue.

Actually you might be right as well. I could see them simply changing the current dagger weapons all into swords, before they introduce ROG/NIN weapons as well. They don't even need to remove them, only simply change the model into that of a sword. However, I'll still say that endgame weapons won't be Ninja exclusive. They simply won't make Gerolt Weapons or Primal Weapons exclusive to Ninja because for all other jobs, these weapons can be used on classes as well.

They might make future weapons exclusive, same way they will do for all other weapon as well. They are starting to veer away from classes anyhow; the only useful class right now is Marauder.

[Arelian]

Didn't they say that ROG/NIN will be using "dual weapons" like MNK currently does? So they don't have to change a damn thing if they use an entirely new type of weapon.

[Rocl]

They simply won't make Gerolt Weapons or Primal Weapons exclusive to Ninja because for all other jobs, these weapons can be used on classes as well.

Scholar Primal/Gerolt weapons are job exclusive. Not saying NIN weapons will be, but there is precedent for a weapon being locked to a job. (The difference being that the class and the job are different roles in this example though)

[Sol-Blackguy]

I foresee gladiator keeping their silly dagger weapons, and rogues/ninjas getting unique "2-in-1 dual wield" weapons instead. This game isn't designed well enough to utilize true dual wielding after all.

That's what I was thinking too. But another option could be single dagger = THF dw = NIN.

[Arelian]

They straight up said during one of the interviews that ROG/NIN use the "2-in-1 dual wield" type weapons.

[Qeomash]

They will probably call them Knives.

[Prothescar]

twin blades

[Gokulo]

We need this

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ge_Swallow.png

Also, a weapon like this

http://www.cosplayhouse.com/images/D...er_01-5-04.jpg

[Sephiroth]

Complains about Coil lockout, hasn't cleared T7.

Eh? This is exactly why I haven't cleared it. Once people beat it they can't do it again, so people beating it in my FC can't help because they're forced into statics. You're going to say get a new static, and I plan to, but the fact you have to form statics for it is why people complain about the lockout. Right now I'm enjoying just being able to watch the world cup rather than wipe to T7/8 with bads.

[lilbubbles]

It's like musical chairs, someone has to get left out.

[Vaspinne]

We need this

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ge_Swallow.png

Also, a weapon like this

http://www.cosplayhouse.com/images/D...er_01-5-04.jpg

Zidane's weapon style from FFIX (daggers not included) would be pretty rad!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1FIMy1OswD...ne+weapons.jpg

[Lucavi]

I don't want to fight with something designed for paddling upstream in a boat, but to each his own!

(Seriously, Masamune >> Mastermune.)

[Obsidian]

http://www.cosplayhouse.com/images/D...er_01-5-04.jpg

Fuck this fight.

[Kaslo]

Eh? This is exactly why I haven't cleared it. Once people beat it they can't do it again, so people beating it in my FC can't help because they're forced into statics. You're going to say get a new static, and I plan to, but the fact you have to form statics for it is why people complain about the lockout. Right now I'm enjoying just being able to watch the world cup rather than wipe to T7/8 with bads.

I've found perfectly competent PUGs for T7 even as late as Sunday/Monday.

[Diomer]

Eh? This is exactly why I haven't cleared it. Once people beat it they can't do it again, so people beating it in my FC can't help because they're forced into statics. You're going to say get a new static, and I plan to, but the fact you have to form statics for it is why people complain about the lockout. Right now I'm enjoying just being able to watch the world cup rather than wipe to T7/8 with bads.

Make your own static then; bitching about it and taking no initiative is silly. In fact, I'm not even sure how you've played this game up until now without a static. If there was no lockout, everyone could be "carried" by a single group winning T9. The first group to clear on your server would also be able to merc wins for some absolutely ridiculous profits in this scenario. The only real valid complaint for changing things is the rampant RNG boning.

Moreover, if you aren't in an FC coil group, why are you even in that FC to begin with? Linkshells are social, FCs are end game and there is only really one end game thing at the moment.

[arus2001]

Sweet, the "You're not trying hard enough!" line.

I, for one, welcome carries and possible merc'ing. Not because I'd personally partake, but because people falling behind sucks and playing catch up for others when you really don't want to also sucks. In other words, simply making your own group yields no guarantee it is both successful and capable of sticking together for the long term. As such, when things dissolve because logistics and player politics decide to be a bitch, welp, "Suck less, noob!" right?

And some wonder why I'm tired of raiding being THE endgame in MMOs. :/

[Tomino]

I feel there's an interesting implication based on how they're handling ROG / NIN regards weapons.

As of now, Jobs use the exact same weapon as their Class. But in 2.4, Ninja will be using dual katanas while Rogue will stick to dual daggers - unless I got that wrong.
That could mean other classes may behave the same way, with Lancer unlocking - for example - another 2h melee weapon that's not necessarily a lance. Like, for example, a great katana.