XIV at E3 2014 (June 10-12)

[Grey Jorildyn]

I actually really like the basic concept behind the armory system, despite the work-arounds they need to invent to circumvent the "limitations" implied by the base class > first job implemented. It's nice that they'll put in a whole new base class to implement something like Red Mage if they decide to go with Fleurets over swords (and Gladiator doesn't seem prepared to inherit Red mage duties either, hence the "limitation"), but man is it going to slow down the #2 branch jobs for everything.

Personally I'd like to see them implement a base class for every weapon and, in my mind, that basically means the ones left are (not including Rogue):

-Rapiers/Fleurets (Fencer?)
-Greatsword (Mystic Knight?/Dark Knight?) - unless they build over Gladiator somehow
-Scimitars (Blue Mage?) - unless they build over Gladiator again
-Crossbow (Hunter?) - or evolved from archer...
-Gun (Gunner/Corsair?)
-Scythe (Dark Knight?)

Others that seem less likely:
-Nunchaku
-Hammers
-Whips
-1h Axe
-Bells (but who knows, right?)

Seems like every few months this discussion comes up. Just tell us your grand plan already SE! FUCK CRYSTAL TOWER DO THIS INSTEAD!

[Rocl]

where was that list from 1.0 where they datamined all the classes in the game already (well, abbreviations/guilds/skills)

iirc there was a Fencer class already in the game during TANAKA REIGN SO

[Gokulo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...1276738842.jpg

[Rocl]

wow you had that shit READY

[Kaslo]

I actually really like the basic concept behind the armory system, despite the work-arounds they need to invent to circumvent the "limitations" implied by the base class > first job implemented. It's nice that they'll put in a whole new base class to implement something like Red Mage if they decide to go with Fleurets over swords (and Gladiator doesn't seem prepared to inherit Red mage duties either, hence the "limitation"), but man is it going to slow down the #2 branch jobs for everything.

Personally I'd like to see them implement a base class for every weapon and, in my mind, that basically means the ones left are (not including Rogue):

-Rapiers/Fleurets (Fencer?)
-Greatsword (Mystic Knight?/Dark Knight?) - unless they build over Gladiator somehow
-Scimitars (Blue Mage?) - unless they build over Gladiator again
-Crossbow (Hunter?) - or evolved from archer...
-Gun (Gunner/Corsair?)
-Scythe (Dark Knight?)

Others that seem less likely:
-Nunchaku
-Hammers
-Whips
-1h Axe
-Bells (but who knows, right?)

Seems like every few months this discussion comes up. Just tell us your grand plan already SE! FUCK CRYSTAL TOWER DO THIS INSTEAD!

Fuck yeah Bells!

[Gokulo]

wow you had that shit READY

Lol, I had refreshed the forum when you made the post and Googling this thing takes a whole of 3 seconds ;P

[Alkar]

I actually really like the basic concept behind the armory system, despite the work-arounds they need to invent to circumvent the "limitations" implied by the base class > first job implemented. It's nice that they'll put in a whole new base class to implement something like Red Mage if they decide to go with Fleurets over swords (and Gladiator doesn't seem prepared to inherit Red mage duties either, hence the "limitation"), but man is it going to slow down the #2 branch jobs for everything.

Personally I'd like to see them implement a base class for every weapon and, in my mind, that basically means the ones left are (not including Rogue):

-Rapiers/Fleurets (Fencer?)
-Greatsword (Mystic Knight?/Dark Knight?) - unless they build over Gladiator somehow
-Scimitars (Blue Mage?) - unless they build over Gladiator again
-Crossbow (Hunter?) - or evolved from archer...
-Gun (Gunner/Corsair?)
-Scythe (Dark Knight?)

Others that seem less likely:
-Nunchaku
-Hammers
-Whips
-1h Axe
-Bells (but who knows, right?)

Seems like every few months this discussion comes up. Just tell us your grand plan already SE! FUCK CRYSTAL TOWER DO THIS INSTEAD!

To be honest I don't see how any of that is less likely than what we already have... like books lol.

[Grey Jorildyn]

They probably aren't any less likely, that's just what I feel right now.

[Treble]

Fuck yeah Bells!

still legitimately hoping for Geomancer off of Conjurer because it makes sense and the cnj wands can easily be remodeled as bells

[Sephiroth]

I've found perfectly competent PUGs for T7 even as late as Sunday/Monday.

The best T7 PUGs are the ones that demand to see your achievement before you can join, maybe that's why? IE you can only join those if you've won already. No one gives a fuck if you've seen <20% half a dozen times, if you've not killed it go join a clear (wipe) party filled with 3 or 4 people who suck hardcore. Had many an "experienced know all phases" group that can't even get past the first adds.

Make your own static then; bitching about it and taking no initiative is silly. In fact, I'm not even sure how you've played this game up until now without a static. If there was no lockout, everyone could be "carried" by a single group winning T9. The first group to clear on your server would also be able to merc wins for some absolutely ridiculous profits in this scenario. The only real valid complaint for changing things is the rampant RNG boning.

Moreover, if you aren't in an FC coil group, why are you even in that FC to begin with? Linkshells are social, FCs are end game and there is only really one end game thing at the moment.

If you think only people not in statics complain about Coil lockout you're so far from the truth it's funny. There's a lot of people in statics who are frustrated about it just as much because of scheduling issues that crop up etc. I was still complaining about the lockout back when I was in a static.

You don't have to make the game easier if there's no lockout. Carrying anyone in top tier content like T9 should be impossible until the content is no longer top tier. So that merc run you speak of should require an 8th that knows the fight as well as the rest.

[Sho]

wow you had that shit READY

lul so hard.

Niggas come with dat list doe.

[Waraji]

^ lol both.

We ALL know we be quoting that list every time we bring up this bullshit topic.

[Deadgye]

There's a lot of people in statics who are frustrated about it just as much because of scheduling issues that crop up etc.

Indeed. Due to scheduling conflicts my group hasn't been able to get much practice in t9 until this week really. If it weren't for lockouts I (and probably 5 other people from my group) could have done it enough to have cleared it weeks ago.

[Taim Meich]

I'd kill for a proper Fencing class in FF. I've said it a million times, and while it was fine back in the day when you had NES and SNES hardware, people swinging rapiers around like broadswords is flat out absurd. I think FFXII was the most recent game to have proper fencing with Larsa? He was a pretty chill dude.

Hell, SE could easily branch off the Fencing class and re-introduce a parry tank through fencing. Hell, we have all this Parry gear on tanks anyway.

Make it happen, Yoshi.

Dark Souls has very proper fencing, you can even dual wield rapier and parrying dagger and simulate somewhat the 1600 fencing style that was predominant in Europe, in Spain in particular.

It's a style that videogame creators tend to avoid, since thrusts tend to be visually much less varied than slashes, so a proper representation of a thrusting weapon can be viewed as boring by a lot of people.

[Kaiyoko]

Is the lockout hatred because people joining you miss out on earlier turns and getting locked to T9, or is it that you can only do 1 of each turn a week? I've never personally had issues with the whole lock out system.

[Obsidian]

People can't carry/get carried by friends and it makes them mad.

[Raldo]

Also, static or PUG, etc. You can't just say 'hey guys, we're going to go do coil as a FC' and grab whomever. People with variable schedules can't always commit to statics. Segmented FCs, "lunchtable groups" (or something), I believe people were calling it.

Seriously, if you can't think of reasons why people would complain about the system, you're incredibly short-sighted.

[Kaiyoko]

Also, static or PUG, etc. You can't just say 'hey guys, we're going to go do coil as a FC' and grab whomever. People with variable schedules can't always commit to statics. Segmented FCs, "lunchtable groups" (or something), I believe people were calling it.

Seriously, if you can't think of reasons why people would complain about the system, you're incredibly short-sighted.

More like I have a competent group that actual clears shit and gets shit done within a reasonable window so I have no reason to worry about it myself, but everyone and their mother in this game whines about the lockout.

Having played XI where there were worse things then a once a week lockout and also playing WoW with the exact same system where I never saw anyone complain about the system. Seems like the XIV community wants to pour tears about anything and everything that doesn't make themselves a special snowflake and carry their unskilled friends through content.

[Kaixin]

More like I have a competent group that actual clears shit and gets shit done within a reasonable window so I have no reason to worry about it myself, but everyone and their mother in this game whines about the lockout.

Having played XI where there were worse things then a once a week lockout and also playing WoW with the exact same system where I never saw anyone complain about the system. Seems like the XIV community wants to pour tears about anything and everything that doesn't make themselves a special snowflake and carry their unskilled friends through content.

No, it's just that the number of friends I'd like to play with is greater than 7.

[Kaiyoko]

No, it's just that the number of friends I'd like to play with is greater than 7.

Last time I checked there is other content in the game that isn't locked.