.DAT Mining: 6/17/2014 Update - Findings and Discussion

[Prothescar]

300 points

[Sechs]

Where do the NIN two new spells come from? Anybody found them?

[JSHidaka]

hmm nvm lol

[Commskywalker]

I found a blank but target-able spot in Rala Waterways that I suspect is part of the new quest 'A Thirst for the Eons', though that is just a hunch right now, but a strong one.

Anyway, when I click it I am presented with a question: What entity keeps the Sacred City safe?

A dialogue box appears that lets me type in my answer. It seems a wrong answer will teleport you to a random spot in Eastern Adoulin. On my second wrong guess I was teleported to the top of a streetlight. I've tried the answers "Arciela"(was just a random guess, didn't think it would teleport me out) and then "August", but both were wrong.

If anyone's a little more familiar than me with the lore, I could use some guesses since it's annoying to keep running back.

[Ophannus]

Is status timers broken? Aftermath jumps to like a 19:40 timer after like 15 seconds so annoying to gauge its remaining duration.

[Ath]

As SE mentioned in the past, they were adding two KIs that allow players to get past the doors in Eldieme Necropolis and Halvung (normally took 6 people).

The Eldieme KI is from Churano-Shurano in Windurst Waters (North Side, F-8). The quest prompts you to give him 10,000 gil for a Magicked Astrolabe.

The Halvung KI is from a ??? target at (J-8). It mentions a dull piece of metal on the ground. Trade a Moblin oil (I got mine from a Troll Engraver in Halvung) to the ??? to get a Bracelet of Verve.

[Sechs]

Where do the NIN two new spells come from? Anybody found them?

They're sold in Norg from the tarutaru fishing just on the left of the Home Point crystal, with the norg exit on your back.

[scaevola]

the absent of the skill on those weapons will be noticeable on anything remotly hard. you give up like 50 accuracy and 50 attack. considering the current hard stuff needs double madrigals and sushi to achieve a caped hitrate 50 acc could hurt there.

Assuming you are

1) not capped,

2) unwilling to make whatever gear adjustments would be necessary to recover the accuracy you lost, and

3) literally never do anything where you could cap accuracy with a ilvl115 weapon, in which case the WKR weapon would utterly dominate and you could go back to your 119 when you actually do Very Difficult Whatever,

a 25% reduction in hit rate is still less than a 40% increase in attacks.

[Raelia]

Assuming you are

1) not capped, and

2) unwilling to make whatever gear adjustments would be necessary to recover the accuracy you lost,

a 25% reduction in hit rate is still less than a 40% increase in attacks.

Uh, wow. Good job being both correct and fundamentally retarded at the same time.

95/25 = 70

70*1.4 = 98

95 hits / 100 rounds vs 98 hits / 100 rounds, but you've lost that accuracy on your WSing as well which OAT does not benefit and lost base damage too, all before even factoring attack.

[scaevola]

Uh, wow. Good job being both correct and fundamentally retarded at the same time.

95/25 = 70

70*1.4 = 98

95 hits / 100 rounds vs 98 hits / 100 rounds, but you've lost that accuracy on your WSing as well which OAT does not benefit and lost base damage too, all before even factoring attack.

Ok, so even under the best possible circumstances for a 119, it's close to a wash.

You've lost a whopping 16 base damage going from Gungnir to Kuakuakait (which, as Ophannus mentions, is a lot less than the hit DRGs took for choosing Chauve-Soris or whatever it was called), and the additional accuracy lost only matters for jobs using multihit WS, which, while many, is not all.

Nobody is suggesting anybody throw away their relics.

[Toth]

any luck with that new pet food?

[scaevola]

There's a post in the crafting forum about it. They're rice balls, basically, and the beans can be bought at the crafting guild by anybody who can actually make the recipe.

[quixorbl]

to continue this:
1 > 3 > 5 > 7 > 9 > 12 > 15 > 18 > 21

Last merit upgrade (the 15th) requires 39 merit points.

That would seem to suggest that the merit point progression is: 1 > 3 > 5 > 7 > 9 > 12 > 15 > 18 > 21 > 24 > 27 > 30 > 33 > 36 > 39 (280 merit points total). Can anybody confirm that?

Also, does anybody know the merit point progression for stats now that they can be raised from 12 to 15? All I know is that the first upgrade (that is to say upgrade 13) costs 15 merit points.

[Fwahm]

It costs 18 to get to 14.

[dasva]

Ok, so even under the best possible circumstances for a 119, it's close to a wash.

You've lost a whopping 16 base damage going from Gungnir to Kuakuakait (which, as Ophannus mentions, is a lot less than the hit DRGs took for choosing Chauve-Soris or whatever it was called), and the additional accuracy lost only matters for jobs using multihit WS, which, while many, is not all.

Nobody is suggesting anybody throw away their relics.

Except that isn't the best possible circumstances for several reasons. Mainly because all you are factoring in is rate of attacks but even then you still fail to account for other forms of multiple hits which will have a huge effect on things. It also doesn't account for the effect of all that att from skill or any of the special stats on most 119 pieces which tends to be better than the ones on naakual weapons.

[dasva]

So a little info on crusade. Cost 18 mp takes. Has a rather decent cast time ~6 seconds. But lasts 5 minutes with only a 10 sec recast.... Gives enmity boost effect and the buff says enmity generation is increased so sounds like just some kind of +enmity but will wait for testing till can tell for certain.... which might be awhile with the mule I use for such things banned lol

[maddog]

Has anyone tested if WS damage on a main hand weapon effects ranged weaponskills?

[Byrthnoth]

That would seem to suggest that the merit point progression is: 1 > 3 > 5 > 7 > 9 > 12 > 15 > 18 > 21 > 24 > 27 > 30 > 33 > 36 > 39 (280 merit points total). Can anybody confirm that?

Yeah, it is.

Also, does anybody know the merit point progression for stats now that they can be raised from 12 to 15? All I know is that the first upgrade (that is to say upgrade 13) costs 15 merit points.

Next one costs 18 points.

[Dotsudoku]

So a little info on crusade. Cost 18 mp takes. Has a rather decent cast time ~6 seconds. But lasts 5 minutes with only a 10 sec recast.... Gives enmity boost effect and the buff says enmity generation is increased so sounds like just some kind of +enmity but will wait for testing till can tell for certain.... which might be awhile with the mule I use for such things banned lol

The statuses are identical to the SCH spells

[Toth]

Akamochi:

1x Fire Crystal
1x Maple Sugar
1x Sticky Rice
1x Cornstarch
1x Distilled Water
1x Azuki Bean (get from Cooking Guild, 600g/each)

Edit:
Akamochi Effects:
Player Acc: 794 -> 844
Player Atk: 802 -> 852
Player Def: 713 -> 715

Automaton Acc: 784 -> 859
Automaton Atk: 973 -> 1048
Automaton Racc: 816 -> 891
Automaton Ratk: 996 -> 1071
Automaton Def: 764 -> 766

Edit #2:
Akamochi +1 Effects:
Player Acc: 794 -> 848
Player Atk: 802 -> 856
Player Def: 713 -> 715

Automaton Acc: 794 -> 865
Automaton Atk: 973 -> 1055
Automaton Racc: 816 -> 897
Automaton Ratk: 996 -> 1078
Automaton Def: 764 -> 767

Thank you Enoch! Looks like a pizza for pets? Slightly less accuracy but also an attack boost.