Patch 2.3 Defenders of Eorzea Trailer

[Spider-Dan]

If you're saying that Echo isn't helping people clear GEx and T5, I don't know what to tell you. Garuda is basically the purest of DPS checks with very little choreography and is a textbook example of an echo fight; T5 is made MUCH easier by a) easier kills on conflags, b) easier kills on dreadknights, c) better heals after Death Sentence (and its debuff), and d) ability to heal tanks through liquid hells without having to drag them to another neurolink.

[Foxer]

I guess the question we need to ask ourselves is "How long should gear be useful in an MMO?"

Forever.

I hate to say this but I do think FFXI just plain does endgame better. Many of the big activities (Salvage, Legion, Voidwatch, and Delve I) remain popular because they all contribute to your growth as a character. Yes, Salvage, Legion, and Voidwatch gear is largely outdated (but not all!), there remains reasons to do all of these zones: alex, HMPs and Nm specific drops for relic armor upgrades, Meteor/Arise, etc. Delve I still offers items to upgrade delve II gear as well as always useful boss drops. I feel you can do any of those above activities and make progress. In FFXIV, its either spam x dungeon for tomes (gets boring really fast) or go for gear in a weekly lockout system. FFXIV really should have incentives for older dungeons besides tomes: mainly random atma drops for clearing hardmode dungeons, oils and sands (very low droprate) for older dungeons, and unidentified tombstones for trial spams.

Amen.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Not saying my experience is representative of every server or even the average player, but PF Extremes typically fail even the DPS check with the kind of gear I mentioned (or at least i90-100 mix on every DPS). It's pretty amazing how bad the skill variance in the Myth/Sol-only players can be. It's not failing the fight mechanic dancing, it's just failing at the job at a fundamental level and all Echo does is pretend you're doing that but 10ish ilvls higher.

[Ratatapa]

I remember people approving not beeing able to change gear in battle so we didn't need multiple set of gear for xiv


I think just that makes ffxi with more content because you need lots and lots of gear to maximize your potential

Xiv doesn't do that, gear is too linear

[Seravi Edalborez]

Gearswapping was very love it (made most everything relavant) or hate it (aforementioned gear-loot-event pingpong).

[Foxer]

I remember people approving not beeing able to change gear in battle so we didn't need multiple set of gear for xiv


I think just that makes ffxi with more content because you need lots and lots of gear to maximize your potential

Xiv doesn't do that, gear is too linear

I don't know how people expect a game such as FFXIV to keep them satisfied if a major mechanic that basically made FFXI stand out from every other MMO in a positive was was removed. lol

I literally do my coil and log the fuck out. I'll log in every few days for a few minutes to try and talk to random people in MD and for the daily roulette, but everyone is an idiot in my server and roulette is becoming a drag. Makes me hella hyped for hunts, even though I fully expect that to be a let down.

[Null]

@Null: Perfect example. Your ilvl91 would be a hindrance at best for T8-9 and chattel for slaughter at worst. It would take your mule weeks to hit the comfort zone in terms of pulling your weight in those two tiers. I'm perfectly fine with that system. Your mule isn't crushing max-difficulty content on day one, or even week one. You can immediately contribute to your FC with a little effort, which is fantastic, but you aren't becoming Max Raider #2 within a matter of a single week.

Hindrance yes as others have to pull your weight. But completely possible. We have a mnk main who recently made a drg mule. Never played drg, didn't know the rotations and was ilvl85 who beat t8 in a mule party. Since it was a mule party we didn't have our strongest dps but it is still possible. So 'crushing max content' in one week is possible.

[Ratatapa]

I don't know how people expect a game such as FFXIV to keep them satisfied if a major mechanic that basically made FFXI stand out from every other MMO in a positive was was removed. lol

I literally do my coil and log the fuck out. I'll log in every few days for a few minutes to try and talk to random people in MD and for the daily roulette, but everyone is an idiot in my server and roulette is becoming a drag. Makes me hella hyped for hunts, even though I fully expect that to be a let down.

Best Exemple is the haidate before I quit most of sky was useless ( wih salvage campaign and all)

But Haidate were still popular for tping due to haste ( until you got usukane or something been a while)

This won't happen in xiv

[blowfin]

But Haidate were still popular for tping due to haste ( until you got usukane or something been a while)

You could augment them with DA too. Think they actually had the longest lifespan as a Rampage WS piece on my BST.

[Niiro]

Byakko's reigned supreme all the way till AF3.

The only exception was MNK wearing full Usu (SAM and NIN were better off with hybrid sets).

[Obsidian]

MNK was only better off in full Usu if they had a black belt.

[Niiro]

You weren't a MNK unless you had a black belt.

[Kaiyoko]

MNK was only better off in full Usu if they had a black belt.

A monk with full Usu had some serious priority issues if they didn't have black belt.

[Sho]

Wasn't Cream Soda full Usu but no Black Belt for a couple of months?

Yo, fuck dat adaman egg drop.

[Lucavi]

P.S. I categorically disagree that the echo won't change T6-9 wipes. The only fight that the echo has no real effect on is TEx.

You aren't going to echo through T7 unless echo starts nerfing actual game mechanics. The more DPS you have in that fight, the more things fuck up.

[Foxer]

You aren't going to echo through T7 unless echo starts nerfing actual game mechanics. The more DPS you have in that fight, the more things fuck up.

IDK about that. It's not hard to keep a Reggie up for more than one voice. If the only thing you have to worry about is petrifying the Reggie with the Boss below 35%, why won't more DPS help? The beauty of that fight is that it's heavy on mechanics I guess, but any major stat carry will help IMO.

Also @Spider-Dan: You burn the living shit out of Titan EX with Echo, so I wouldn't say it has no real effect. Adds melt, gaols melt, heart melts, phases are pushed much faster and you avoid MBs and plumes while doing so.

[Edelweiss]

beauty of that fight

There is nothing beautiful about Turn 7.

[Foxer]

There is nothing beautiful about Turn 7.

WTF that and pase 4 in T9 is what keep that game alive for me. lol

[solracht]

There is nothing beautiful about Turn 7.

it gave us pretty entertaining reads in the Coil thread

[Seravi Edalborez]

It's pretty beautiful in how much of a destroyer of morale it is for some.