Israel vs. Gaza round 99

**Meresgi** · 2024-04-29 19:55

Originally Posted by Qalbert

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/sta...93170566021398

https://www.tiktok.com/@reyahthelast...27091468963118

Found a video link referencing the Karen lol, Montana Tucker...who I guess is a TikTok star.

**archibaldcrane** · 2024-04-29 20:59

My neighbor across the street, their daughter is in grad school at Columbia, and she got arrested in the very first wave of these protests kicking off

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**Byrthnoth** · 2024-04-30 06:27

Do the protestors have demands of some kind?

Protesting at a college to put pressure on ??? because something is happening between two other countries seems like a bit of a bankshot at best.

They made the news and made the somewhat trivial/obvious point that not all Americans support the war when the Columbia students were arrested. What message are they trying to send since then?

Am I just old? What is the point here?

**Krandor** · 2024-04-30 07:03

Doubt they thought that far ahead.

Every couple weeks it seems like in the Bay area protestors block off the bridges demanding a cease-fire, because preventing everyday Joe's from making it to their jobs in the morning will surely pressure Gavin Newsom to get right on that.

**Byrthnoth** · 2024-04-30 07:44

At least protesting by blocking roads actually puts pressure on the mayor/governor and could be a sensible way to push for local political change. Sleeping outside at college to put pressure on Bibi? Bibi via Biden? Bibi via Biden via Kamala? to stop the war in Gaza is just twenty degrees too far removed for me to even see how it works in theory.

**Daydreamer** · 2024-04-30 08:45

I'm in Austin and have been following the UT protests and it's a mess honestly. There's a ton of protesters that want UT to divest from any sort of funds that are pro-war, but there's also a ton of people shouting things with good intentions but not enough knowledge to really understand what their shouting means. I've seen people define "From the rivers to the sea" to mean something that is basically pro killing Israel people and also heard it defined as something far more peaceful that basically just means let the Palestinians live their lives. I'm going to wager if the phrase can have such vast differences in what it means depending on who hears it that maybe just maybe you should not use that during a protest since it'll just cause confusion.

Basically, at least at UT, it seems like there's I dunno 10 groups of slightly differing ideologies some of which are a pretty standard protest to raise awareness and some are far more extreme and the mixture of all these groups is causing chaos. You wanna protest on something I do not at all agree with on a college campus? Freaking go for it. I encourage it and commend it. A lot of the kids are doing just that, but there's others that are setting up camps for some reason and ones in Columbia occupying actual buildings, so everyone is getting lumped into the same group which leads to the left cherry picking the peaceful ones and the right cherry picking the people occupying buildings.

Come this with UTs very very pro free speech stance until last week and you get this shitshow.

Note: When I said "protest something I don't agree with" I mean that as in, there are so many different groups protesting that no one is going to agree with all of them, but if you're just shouting and waving signs then freaking go for it.

**archibaldcrane** · 2024-04-30 10:33

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

Do the protestors have demands of some kind?

Protesting at a college to put pressure on ??? because something is happening between two other countries seems like a bit of a bankshot at best.

They made the news and made the somewhat trivial/obvious point that not all Americans support the war when the Columbia students were arrested. What message are they trying to send since then?

Am I just old? What is the point here?

These mysteries are a google away

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/27/busin...sts/index.html

New York CNN —

One of the core demands over the past week by the pro-Palestinian student groups at Columbia University has been for the school to withdraw investment funds from what they describe as companies profiting from Israel’s military action in Gaza.

Columbia’s endowment is worth $13.6 billion and is managed by a university-owned investment firm.

The request from Columbia University Apartheid Divest — a coalition of student groups behind the movement — includes, among other steps, divesting endowment funds from several weapons manufacturers and tech companies that do business with Israel’s government. The group has described those companies as profiting “from Israeli apartheid, genocide, and military occupation of Palestine.” Israel denies accusations of genocide.

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**Zetanio** · 2024-04-30 11:27

As someone who grew up in an overwhelmingly Jewish community with overwhelmingly somewhat liberal Jewish people and basically existed as somewhat culturally Jewish for 80% of my life. I have some insight.

This problem doesn't end until all of one side is dead. Even then, probably not gonna actually stop unless it's the Israelis that are cleansed with God's fire.

There is no solution here. Protests, divestment demands, UN pressure. None of that will work.

Get rid of Bibi, won't work. Get rid of Hamas, won't work.

These peoples are diametrically opposed and without "both sides"ing too hard they can't survive without each other. My somewhat to very liberal Jewish friends mostly turn into warhawk jingoists when you bring up the possibility of Israel conceding anything. Think of it like asking an American to just "leave al Qaeda alone" right after 9/11. It's unthinkable.

Also, there's so much bad/worse/ongoing shit even in that region and surrounding areas that no one gives a flying shit about because it doesn't involve Jews.

There won't be any pivot from the US on this because we benefit too much from Israel's tech sector and their ability to keep the region surveilled for us.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

**Andalusian girls** · 2024-04-30 11:44

France and England went to war for 114 consecutive years and today yell at each other over soccer, peace will come, it always does. neither side is eradicating the other and they will learn to live together some day. real question is whether it takes 10 more years or 50.

**Athas** · 2024-04-30 11:49

9/11 was barely 20 years ago and most Americas today barely spare al Qaeda a thought.

Surely twenty five hundred years is enough time to move on from the first temple.

**Zetanio** · 2024-04-30 11:55

Originally Posted by Athas

9/11 was barely 20 years ago and most Americas today barely spare al Qaeda a thought.

Surely twenty five hundred years is enough time to move on from the first temple.

You'd think so but nah.

**archibaldcrane** · 2024-04-30 12:12