Israel vs. Gaza round 99

[kuronosan]

And who caused this whole mess 47 years ago? Great Britan when they made the decision to take the land away from the Palestinians living there and gave it to the Jews. It wasn't even until the other Arab nations attacked Israel(less than a day after becoming the ONLY Jewish state in existence), and Israel kicked them to the curb twice, and took land from Egypt/Jordan. Israel asked for peace from Egypt, and in return gave back the Sinai(an area that is bigger than Israel itself). Israel also offered land back to other Arab nations for peace and they said no and refused. I guess I just feel no sympathy most of the time because Israel has tried again and again for peace and the Arab countries/Muslims in those areas refuse to recognize Israels right to exist as a Jewish state, and constantly want to destroy it.

The fact that you don't see what's wrong with your argument after the first three sentences makes me despise your logic. Deeply, deeply despise it. Deeply.

[Restrat]

Don't you think it's worrying that Israel basically gets to keep the land because it "won" it in war? This logic means if Egypt gets its shit together and wins a war against Israel, it gets to keep all of the land, right? Maybe lock up all the Jews in a prison city and slowly destroy them? That's the precedent Israel is is setting. Even historically, Israel was part of Egypt long before there was a kingdom of Israel, so it makes sense!

[kuronosan]

By his logic, the Chinese should just be able to take over Japan and Taiwan because thousands of years ago it was their home so birthright.

Sounds nothing like imperialist manifest destiny to me. Nope.

[Waraji]

I for one, welcome our future Native American Overlords.

[Penthesilea]

alcohol, gambling, walking around half naked in loincloths. sign me up


EDIT: and sweet mohawks

[ringthree]

why not juts leave? i mean shit i was CS levels of poor , packed all my shit in my car drove 1600miles cross the US and made my life better. isnt this the reason we have a huge immigration crisis because people are leaving the shitty areas for even a chance at better in south america. if they are willing to risk life etc without going to war why cant the people of gaza do the same?

Israel controlled those lands (Gaza, West Bank, Sinai and Golan) because they were the areas that were used to invade from. They were all strategic locations.

Israel has always been willing to trade the land back for strategic assurances. It was also how Israel made peace with Jordan.

[ringthree]

The fact that you don't see what's wrong with your argument after the first three sentences makes me despise your logic. Deeply, deeply despise it. Deeply.

Your post didn't say anything at all. You may not like what Israel has done (I don't like a lot of it either) but the circumstances of the creation of Israel and the wars that followed cannot be ignored.

[Correction]

At least 15 people have been killed and more than 200 injured when a UN-run school used as a shelter in Gaza was shelled, the Gaza health ministry says.

It is the fourth time that a UN facility has been hit in Israel's offensive against Hamas militants.

UN officials said that during the course of the day they had been trying to negotiate a window of time with the Israeli army for civilians to leave the area because of the heaving fighting.

But Chris Gunness, a spokesman for the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine refugees (Unrwa), said it was never granted.

tl;dr IDF sets up a 'buffer zone' 3km deep in Gaza with an indiscriminate order to evacuate. UN pleads for time to evacuate a shelter within the buffer zone. It doesn't get one and is shelled, killing 15 and injuring hundreds.

[Waraji]

Is that considered a War Crime? Attacking a UN Sanctioned post?

[kuronosan]

Your post didn't say anything at all. You may not like what Israel has done (I don't like a lot of it either) but the circumstances of the creation of Israel and the wars that followed cannot be ignored.

The wars that followed and the conflict today stems directly from the establishment of an illegal state on "unrecognized" land that has since turned into an imperialist overture of bullshit and propaganda.

I know exactly what he's saying.

[ringthree]

The wars that followed and the conflict today stems directly from the establishment of an illegal state on "unrecognized" land that has since turned into an imperialist overture of bullshit and propaganda.

I know exactly what he's saying.

Your first post said nothing. Your new post also says nothing. "Illegal" state, as determined by who? You?

The only propaganda are your last two posts.

If this is your view of the situation, then what is a decent solution to the problem Israel and the Palestinians current face?

[kuronosan]

Seriously, are you retarded?

Serious question.

[ringthree]

Seriously, are you retarded?

Serious question.

Thank you for contributing as usual to this conversation.

[Mina]

Minimize the personal attacks. Find flaws in each other's arguments and debate or just ignore the person if you don't agree with it.

[Andalusian girls]

what if they're being wicked fucken retahded tho

[Abandon]

lol

[archibaldcrane]

At least 15 people have been killed and more than 200 injured when a UN-run school used as a shelter in Gaza was shelled, the Gaza health ministry says.

Welp, that's about as many Israelis as Gaza kills in the average year. You've hit your quota Israel.

wait there's no quota?

shit

[Correction]

ITV News witnesses aftermath of UN school attack in Gaza

http://i.minus.com/irxSSS7DQ68KZ.jpg

http://i.minus.com/ibsEHVh2qoJiP4.jpg

[Aurara]

[Correction]

Brazil recalls its ambassador to Israel over the violence, you won't believe what happens next!

“This is an unfortunate demonstration of why Brazil, an economic and cultural giant, remains a diplomatic dwarf,” said Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor.

“The moral relativism behind this move makes Brazil an irrelevant diplomatic partner, one who creates problems rather than contributes to solutions.”

Oh right, it's everybody's fault but Israel's. Move along.