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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaslo View Post
    "even Kaslo" ...
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    I asked a valid question. Maria could have been "better" because you got her weapon or some crap. You aren't using her because you don't have a "better" BLM, you're using her because she isn't capped. Your statement was confusing and incorrect.

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    It doesn't really matter who he uses.

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    It always matters.

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    For orb gains, even of the 3* variety, do yall think Heroic or + is better on dailies?

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    If you want just 3* I'd say Heroic is better for using less stamina.

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    I mean, is there ever really a time when you don't need Greater Power and Black orbs?

    In general, Heroic would be better for strictly 3* I guess, but I'm not sure I'd drop down to save 15 stamina and lose the chance at Majors as well as the sharp decrease in Greaters.

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    Are Zorn and Thorn the easiest elite boss ever or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrath View Post
    If you want just 3* I'd say Heroic is better for using less stamina.
    This is shortsighted. Farming + is better as you will end up with more total orbs for whatever you want when orb conversion comes around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ratatapa View Post
    So what is this Machinist skills that JP cid has, but we don't have in Global?

    http://chrysaliswiki.com/people:cid-highwind
    Machinist skills came out during the Freya event on the JP side if memory serves correctly. The first two were Silence + Blind Shot which did damage and their debuff at a seemingly higher rate than the busters as well as the added benefit of doing even more damage if the mob already has that status effect on it. Since then, they've added Poison Shot. I think the base multiplier before the bonus if the target has the status effect is 1.9.

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    He asked for just 3*. Jesus you don't need to go off on everyone who doesn't play the game as optimally as you do.

    If you want more 3* orbs RIGHT NOW to make some ability, heroic would be your fastest way to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrath View Post
    He asked for just 3*. Jesus you don't need to go off on everyone who doesn't play the game as optimally as you do.

    If you want more 3* orbs RIGHT NOW to make some ability, heroic would be your fastest way to it.
    You're talking about very minimal gains in the short term; I wasn't aware I was "going off" just by disagreeing with your advice. Also, he didn't exactly say he wanted only 3 star: "For orb gains, even of the 3* variety,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diomer View Post
    I think the base multiplier before the bonus if the target has the status effect is 1.9.
    Explain this please. There's a damage bonus for if they already have the status? Does that apply to Busters too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrath View Post
    He asked for just 3*. Jesus you don't need to go off on everyone who doesn't play the game as optimally as you do.
    In fairness he didn't ask for JUST 3*, he said "even for 3*," which could mean a lot of things. For overall "orb gains," I'd go with +, for strictly 3* orbs that you'd need immediately you could do Heroic for lower stamina cost. Either way, personally, I would still just run + because of Greater/Major chances.

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    Well I did say IF he wanted just 3*. Like, to use, right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokitoki View Post
    Explain this please. There's a damage bonus for if they already have the status? Does that apply to Busters too?



    In fairness he didn't ask for JUST 3*, he said "even for 3*," which could mean a lot of things. For overall "orb gains," I'd go with +, for strictly 3* orbs that you'd need immediately you could do Heroic for lower stamina cost. Either way, personally, I would still just run + because of Greater/Major chances.
    The damage bonus is only for re-using that particular status shot. So instead of 1.9, it turns into 2.1 or 2.2; can't remember which one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diomer View Post
    The damage bonus is only for re-using that particular status shot. So instead of 1.9, it turns into 2.1 or 2.2; can't remember which one.
    But it's only with the Machinist shots and not the Busters, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokitoki View Post
    But it's only with the Machinist shots and not the Busters, correct?
    Yep.

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    Can't we all just netflix and chill?

    There is a pretty steep decrease in even 3* drops in heroic, some runs netting me 2 orbs. But heroic let's me do it mindlessly at work so I don't lose stamina. Will probably do + at home when I can pay attention.

    Thanks yall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diomer View Post
    Yep.
    Ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on additional damage from Busters since I usually just stop using them after their effect procs in favor of higher multiplier skills.

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    Extra five stamina for more orbs and higher chance for greater and majors makes me not want to bother with heroic, but if you exclusively want 3* heroic the most economic option is indeed heroic.

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