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  1. #11821
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diomer View Post
    Bartz is one of the most used characters on the JP side, so it's definitely not lame. Once power steal comes out, you'll be singing a different tune.
    He suffers from not being as cool as Locke or Zidane! I've not looked at their stats/abilities to see if he's better though.

  2. #11822
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    Zidane is cool Locke is not!

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    Until you can use that SPD skill and he's the top isn't he?

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    Cool =! beeing strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratatapa View Post
    Zidane is cool Locke is not!
    What is this blasphemy. Locke is top tier!

  6. #11826
    I trusted Zet and this is what happened
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    Locke is my favorite FF character

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratatapa View Post
    Zidane is cool Locke is not!
    You don't like FFT. Your opinions are invalid.

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    Doesn't like Locke and doesn't like FFT? Jeeze, that is some awful taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokitoki View Post
    Until you can use that SPD skill and he's the top isn't he?
    Pretty sure Zidane and Locke will both be equal in speed @ 80, but Zidane hasn't been able to break 65 cap yet. Bartz only has Thief at 4 so he can't use that skill, but if you're using Power Steal... you'd need to hone that 5* ability to like R3 for it to actually be useful and that's tough. HOWEVER, if you get Zidane's SSB, which is close to Power Steal but includes direct damage (only +35% attack though), you could bring that ability. Alternatively, Ramza's SSB would replace the use of Power Steal as well.

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    Well at 65 we have the following

    Zidane - 164 SPD, 138 ATK
    Locke - 164 SPD, 137 ATK
    Bartz - 130 SPD, 140 ATK

    Bartz is significantly 'tankier' than the other two though
    Bartz has better weapon access (Axes, Katanas, Spear, Bows)
    Bartz probably gets slightly better ability access I think, spreadsheet won't load that section right now

    I can see why Bartz gets a lot of use as he offers a lot of versatility.

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    Bartz and Locke also has their MC2

    Which put Zidane Last

    On my side finally beat that fking Shizo, 3h to wait then Jenova-life then Red dragon elite thanks to stamina refresh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratatapa View Post
    Zidane is cool Locke is not!
    Locke will rip out your lungs.

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    Anyone know if Barrett gun arm counts as gun for the RM boost?

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    What is the icon in the top right corner?

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    Not sure. The game does not treat it as a gun (only Barret and Tyro can use it) so it shouldn't count.

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    Pissed at Ultima Weapon Elite now. Got through it without using a mythril refresh and I was 1 medal short of mastery. Damnit.

    And of course the mythril shard would have refreshed me, but no its only a reward for mastery. Now I have to wait 4 hours for the stamina.

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    Finally at the 143 1/5, club time to daily till forever

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    Really loving uncapped Lenna and Greg/Bartz mowing everything down.

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    Finally nice to have a retaliator in Greg who can put the axes and hammers to good use.

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    Spent an hour and a half on JENOVA Death elite so far, this fight is ridiculous

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