Frontline General

[AoE]

What cracks me up is how everyone seems to hate their own GC in Aether for some reason and thinks the other teams are conspiring against theirs.

Like, whenever I play, Flames are pushing everyone's shit in because they're the only ones that consistently get multiple people on their team with Battle Fever. Maelstrom Bennie Hills their way to second place or last place consistently because nobody wants to heal so we die disproportionately more than the other team it seems like. Then Adders is like an African Honey Bee just out to fuck someone's day up for no logical reason.

I wish I could get a 50% win rate. When Seize first came out, we did pretty well, but now it's typically like this for me.


To be fair, the weekend has typically always been the worst time to PVP for Maelstrom so it could be better during the week, when I'm not playing.

What's even weirder is whenever I get a Secure or Slaughter, Maelstrom wins 90% of the time.

[Lucavi]

Why do the Flames suck so fucking much on Aether? They split up, they're afraid to commit to a large-scale fight and instead retreat, they're just bad in general and die and make stupid decisions. And the best part is that I can't even switch companies to get better queues and/or players because it'd reset my rank to 1. So thanks for that, Yoshi.

Not sure what you're talking about. I've got a career 49% win rate or something close out of like 900 games. Maybe you had a bad week. Don't take your little sample size as fact, though.

Edit: AOE's got it. People are just whiners. Its human nature, I guess. A few bad matches and everyone rings out the conspiracy theories and swears that they have the worst GC ever.

Now I REALLY want Mercs, so people can go into them, get on a losing streak and swear their database just has the worst PVPers ever.

[Spider-Dan]

Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but:

Is there anyone who thinks their GC sucks/is useless and primarily plays a healer in PvP?

[Lucavi]

A lot of the whining comes from the fact that there aren't enough of em.

[Niiro]

Because it's like having all the responsibilities of a healer and a tank plus you don't even get to hit anything.

[lilbubbles]

Healing is premade is super fun though, not only will you save lives.. you totally change the tide of battle because the enemy will continue to try and kill a target you are not going to let die.

It's super annoying when you're in solo queue because over half the people you need to cure are no where near you to receive any cures, then while trying to figure out where people are that are in combat and not with the group and consider what you might be able to do for them you get caught out yourself and get one shot by a melee limit break.

[kisada]

i think only healer i'd have fun playing would be ast.

fucking invincible ass motherfuckers

[Lucavi]

Because it's like having all the responsibilities of a healer and a tank plus you don't even get to hit anything.

I looooove healing! Its great feeling that you control the battlefield flow through your abilities. Falter, and watch your team recede and withdraw, or outright die. Succeed, and watch as they either hold indefinitely, or push back the enemy through a grinding advance.

[Niiro]

But you don't even get to hit anything!!!

[lilbubbles]

Ast is nice and all but.. thanks to the lustrate "nerf", each one heals a dps for more than half their life and you walk into a fight with 6 of those bad boys! Not sure if it bypasses healing debuffs like it does in PVE, but it seems to.

[Rehn]

Currently in one of the fastest queue trains for frontline on aether, and it feels glorious. Farming for hand of mercy is tough work.

[Spider-Dan]

But you don't even get to hit anything!!!

I spend the overwhelming majority of time in Seize doing the following:

1) casting Miasma on marked targets (usually healers)
2) precasting Stoneskins
3) spamming Miasma2 in scrums/near tomeliths
4) spamming Lustrate

Half of that is attacking.

But more importantly: I like winning. Winning is fun; losing is not fun. Going on SCH increases my chance of winning, so I go on SCH.

It seems to me like the Venn diagram of people who complain about their GC sucking and people who see 2 healers in the entire alliance and think, "I'm probably OK to stay on PLD" is just a circle.

[Elcura]

I did Flames (and now Mael) primarily as healer and let me tell you that being a healer means very little when your team is retarded and you're basically chasing dogs that have escaped their leash. DPS running away from heals, running into ganks (then yelling at you for not healing), tanks not protecting you when you get attacked, the other healer (if you have one) not healing etc.

Way more fun to DPS in general.

[Jem]

I spend the overwhelming majority of time in Seize doing the following:

1) casting Miasma on marked targets (usually healers)
2) precasting Stoneskins
3) spamming Miasma2 in scrums/near tomeliths
4) spamming Lustrate

Half of that is attacking.

But more importantly: I like winning. Winning is fun; losing is not fun. Going on SCH increases my chance of winning, so I go on SCH.

It seems to me like the Venn diagram of people who complain about their GC sucking and people who see 2 healers in the entire alliance and think, "I'm probably OK to stay on PLD" is just a circle.

Adders problem on my datacentre is never lack of healers. It's incompetence when it comes to attacking. Don't know when to push, don't know when to defend and perpetually scattered which causes you to get rolled in any sort of combat.

[Sepukku]

Lets be honest though, there's some terrible freaking healers out there. Once had a couple guys on me as WAR and pulled from the front melee pack back to the healer line and stood in front of both of my parties healers getting beat up as I jumped up and down in front of them and didn't get a heal. The one had under 50k HP healed at the end of the match. No idea what he did all game.

[Shalafi]

It's super annoying when you're in solo queue because over half the people you need to cure are no where near you to receive any cures, then while trying to figure out where people are that are in combat and not with the group and consider what you might be able to do for them you get caught out yourself and get one shot by a melee limit break.

This is my healing experience which is why I just stay on SMN now.

[Spider-Dan]

I mean, I've solo queued as healer for nearly 400 matches so I don't know what to tell you guys.

It's harder to heal in Seize than it was in Secure (where your whole party is always at one predetermined flag) or Slaughter (where everyone in the alliance is in healing range), but ultimately, I heal who I'm near. I don't run off solo so it isn't an issue. Melee LB isn't really a problem if you're geared properly; the only time I really get killed by melee LB is when I'm being swarmed and probably would have died without it anyway.

And speaking strictly of SCH, if you summon Selene, put her on Sic, and put the following 10 items on your hotbar:

Miasma2, Aura Blast, Swiftcast, Resurrect, [PvP rez], Adlo, Stoneskin, Succor, Aetherflow, Lustrate

...that's good enough to make a huge difference in PvP. Optimized healing is certainly superior but even the above is a game-changing improvement over a 7th DPS or 4th tank in your party.

At the end of the day, I've been in far too many parties where I'm the only healer (even in Secure where healers were incredibly OP) to believe that losing a lot and not coming on healer are completely unrelated.

[kisada]

i think it's as simple as playing what you can have your best impact on. by now you should be able to tell if that's on dps, tank, or healer, depending on the context of the situation.

[Lucavi]

Yeah I'd rather see people on their strongest, most confident jobs than trying to conform to the needs of a party, but that only assumes that the person will become an immature feeder if they don't get their way.

Y'know, like in MOBAs.

[Fondue]

I was misfortunate enough to queue into one of those 24 man premade Gilgamesh death squad games yesterday

It was amazing

I don't think flames came in first one game I did yesterday though