2014 College Football Thread: The Will Muschamp Memorial

[Anoat]

Navy had a chance to beat Notre Dame but they done goofed now.

[Anoat]

WELL MAYBE NOT

[octopus]

lol how did that happen

[Anoat]

NVM, Navy did, indeed, fuck it up.

[Coren]

Annnnd USC collapses in the 4th quarter AGAIN after holding a 14-point lead. This shit is so awesome. Fucking chickens.

[Mertron]

WVU has, far and away, the worst fan base I've experienced in collegiate sports. I would never ever go back to Morgantown. Good luck. It may be for the best that TCU loses.

their fan base is probably great if you're a wvu fan, but otherwise I concur, they're awful lol

BIG EAST

[Chrius]

If tcu keeps winning these close games in their house they might start being less welcoming pregame

[Kirin]

RIP Kirin

Yup. Thats about how I felt at halftime.

When Richt waited 45 seconds to call a TO with 2 to use in the 2nd quarter, I knew it was ballgame. We stopped trying those last 2 minutes and phoned in the rest of the game. At least it gives us early gameplay footage for how we can expect Ga. Tech to gameplan.

That TD throw in the 4th was a total fluke, so I'm not even counting that as points. We flat out sucked and Jean Shorts came to play for their coach. Need to start playing Bauta so he and Chubb/receiving corps can get chemistry together. Mason is a total and complete Joe Cox. 17th is about right for us, now I want us to cause as much havoc for the playoff as possible and win the SEC so a west team is left out in the cold.

But damn, we had some good food at our tailgate. And it was kinda funny to see 100x as many blue/green reptile flags on our way back as there were going down. I need to stop going to Jacksonville, I'm 1-3 and my win was the endzone dance.

[Arvin]

I just want to add more fuel to the FSU fire. Plow away

http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/07/jameis...le-chris-rabb/

New reports have surfaced alleging Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston was involved in a point shaving scheme to help an old high school teammate win a $5,000 bet.

According to the report, Winston tanked the 1st half of the FSU vs. Louisville game on October 30th ... after his buddy Chris Rabb allegedly placed a bet for Louisville to be winning at halftime.

Winston's play in the 1st half was atrocious ... and FSU was down 21-7.

FSU eventually came back and won the game -- but according to the report, the final score had no bearing on Rabb's bet.

FYI -- point shaving is illegal and punishable by up to 5 years in prison.

So far, it's unclear if law enforcement is investigating -- but we're working to find out if that's the case

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/07/jameis...#ixzz3IPzb3EKY

[Krandor]

This would be so amazing if true.

[Dantrag]

Wait for it...

[Serra]

I cannot believe that's true, just because if it is, Winston is officially the dumbest college football in the history of ever.

[Outlaw]

Oh please.. Oh please..

[Anoat]

Completely baseless accusation from a completely discredited source (seriously? Incarcerated Bob is the source? SERIOUSLY?) and if you watched the Louisville/FSU game you would realize there is no fucking way it could be possible. http://www.tomahawknation.com/2014/1...rida-state-fsu

Just because I feel like nobody will click link, enjoy a WALL'O'TEXT quote.

The claim is ridiculous, but we went through the film review to show just how wrong it is.
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A ridiculous story was published recently, by a website that I refuse to link on principle, claiming that Jameis Winston was shaving points in the first half of the Louisville game to help out a high school friend over a few thousand dollars. All that you need to know about the author(s) of the story, who made previous unsupported claims about Clemson QB Tajh Boyd's gambling, is in the link. They aren't reputable in any way. The only reason I'm writing this is because Fox Sports and TMZ have discussed the story.

A review of Winston's play shows a number of examples in the first half where he made exceptional plays -- plays that he could have easily not made if he were, you know, shaving points.

Winston's numbers in the first half were quite poor: 10-22 for 123 yards with two interceptions. He also had twenty yards rushing. Winston did not have his finest first half, to be sure, but he also got little help from his offensive line (playing with a backup center, and injured left tackle, right guard and right tackle) and receivers.

Let's look at some examples from the first and second quarters of our film review, and look at how many of the errors were out of Winston's control.

-Winston makes a big throw to convert a third down ...

Louisville brings a double A gap blitz and FSU appears to be in a BOB protection which has the linemen take the backs while the tailback/h-back take on the blitzing backers. Williams is aligned with the tackle and O'Leary is in an H-back alignment directly behind the tackle as well, so neither is in a good position to block A gap blitzers and can only get partial blocks on them. Winston slides to his left and places the ball directly on Greene the second he makes his break. This is a high quality NFL caliber play on both ends of the throw.

-Winston again executes a tough throw against pressure, but the freshman receiver drops it ...

Empty backfield means there's no one to pick up the extra edge rusher and Winston must beat him with a throw. He puts the ball in Rudolph's hands on an out route and Rudolph drops it. Gotta have that.

-Winston wasn't always able to beat pressure ...

Bobby Hart gets completely whipped, allowing pressure in Winston's face. This disrupts the timing of the screen pass and allows the defense to react. Probably wasn't going for a first down anyway.

-Sometimes, Louisville's No. 1 rated defense (at the time) made great plays ...

Winston tries to hit O'Leary on the out and the linebacker cuts underneath and nearly picks it off. Gotta chalk this one up as a great defensive play. The linebacker was not in position to break up this pass at all when Jameis throws it.

-If Winston was point shaving, would he check the offense into a better run play? No, he'd let the run game fail on purpose, because that wouldn't draw any scrutiny to him. Instead, he audibled FSU into the better play ...

Looks like FSU is set to run OZ to the field but when Winston spots the defense shifted to that side he changes it to IZ. Bootleg action freezes the backside DE and a tremendous jump cut in the hole gets Cook around the end for the first down.

-Winston did throw a pick on a bad decision with blitzers in his face, and had some bad throws under pressure ...

Louisville has more rushers than FSU can block, forcing Winston to rush the throw and make a poor decision. A perfect throw that's lower and outside has a chance to be completed, but not much of one.

-But the other interception was not his fault. A freshman receiver quit on the route. Jimbo Fisher acknowledged that the throw, while into tight coverage, was "perfect."

Smash route to the boundary. As has been discussed ad nauseum, Travis Rudolph sees a bunch of gray shirts and quits on his route. Ball would have been right in his bread basket in front of the defenders if he runs a full speed route.

Keep in mind that Winston and the offense did gain 200 yards in the first half -- which, even without any second half improvements, was on pace to be 50 more than Louisville had surrendered to any team all season.
Winston doesn't control the defense

Winston also had nothing to do with Florida State giving up a 70-yard pass to open the ballgame, which even after FSU got the stop, put Winston and the offense in horrible field position.

And Winston certainly wasn't responsible for FSU having 7 of 9 scholarship linebackers go down with injury, allowing Louisville to rack up an incredible 294 yards of offense in the first half.
Not that big of a difference between the first and second halves

Another thing to note is that Winston wasn't that much better in the second half, which is important to note. His numbers show great improvement -- 15-26 for 278, with three touchdowns and one interception, but most of the improvement came from receivers playing better, getting better protection from the offensive line, and Louisville busting coverages (including turning Travis Rudolph loose for a 68-yard touchdown wide open).

In fact, some of the worst throws Winston made came in the second half of the game, including his interception to open the second half.

Poor throw from Jameis. Jimbo says he should have hit the drag on the checkdown. Got greedy here. Take what they're giving you. Really fortunate to knock the ball out and recover it. Basically advanced fifteen yards. Jameis needs to throw this farther right and deeper. Just missed the throw bad.

Winston also threw another near-interception in the second half.

And another throw in the second half could have been intercepted and was quite risky. Through little control of Winston, Louisville's receivers ran into each other, and it went for a touchdown.

[Titanss]

Big day tommorrow for me. If Alabama don't win big my legs are gonna get broke.

[FNH]

Big day tommorrow for me. If Alabama don't win big my legs are gonna get broke.

Start setting up your home to be disabled friendly. I am an Alabama fan and I think they will win, but if you bet anything but straight up, you won't like it.

[Titanss]

They need to move up, so they need to win big. Anyway another thing I no shit think espn is anti bama, they NVR mention them in any sense as a chance to make it to the playoffs or mention them period. They jizz over Michigan for reasons unknown tho

[Titanss]

I also wish that Winston story was true

[Cutriss]

They need to move up, so they need to win big. Anyway another thing I no shit think espn is anti bama, they NVR mention them in any sense as a chance to make it to the playoffs or mention them period. They jizz over Michigan for reasons unknown tho

They're not inherently Bama, they just go from belle to belle as time marches on. Bama had the spotlight for more than a few years (and Florida before them).

The only teams that get a permanent place in ESPN's heart are Notre Dame and USC. Everything else is a fleeting romance.

[Headspace]

Why is TCU-KSU, LSU-ALA, and MSU-OSU all on at the same time?