The Alluvion Skirmish thread!

[Petitssk]

Does anyone know what causes the seemingly random damage boost the Escalents sometimes get? Usually, Escalents hit my RDM in nuking gear for ~150 per hit, but sometimes they start hitting for ~300 instead.

I'm not sure, but I think they get that boost after a Shijin is called. At least the message about the monsters's strength increasing that pops up after spawning the Shijin says "monsters", though I'm not sure which ones they are referring to. Then again, the complaints about mobs hitting like trucks usually begin right after that.

Edit: The book on the very first floor also says that the effects of the Shijin affect all mobs in the area, so it might really affect everything.

[Malithar]

The book on the very first floor also says that the effects of the Shijin affect all mobs in the area, so it might really affect everything.

As silly as it sounds, certainly could be possible. Alluvion Rala/Cirdas both had similar mechanics where you could gain a benefit while the mobs gained a benefit as well. Byakko increases attack, most spam Sword Eudeamons for Slits, makes sense at least.

[dasva]

So apparently you can solo without trusts....

[NynJa]

You can only do 1 floor per run though it seems, thats gonna be a long grind to get gear. You might as well use the trusts?

[dasva]

Oh yeah definitely use trusts. Think it was just done to prove hey you don't need xxx awesome Disney vault trusts to do it

[Sechs]

So I noticed something strange in Yorcia elementals, they seem to be following rules slightly different from elementals in the outside world?
They do receive greatly reduced damage from the elements they're strong against, but they do not seem to receive increased damage from the elements they're weak against.

Also I never messed with the double-elementals in Abyssea, but those in Yorcia seem to have a different thing from regular elementals. Their "strong against" defense thing seems to be weaker than the single elementals one. Maybe this is because they have two elements instead of one though, I guess.



I'm not sure myself about elementals behaviour. Haven't been nuking elementals on a mage job since, probably, level 75 era in Ru'aun gardens.

[Hitou]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they don't take any extra damage from magic at all, even the one they're "weak" to. They just resist that element far less and have a huge resistance to the same element as them and the one they're strong against. Other than that they just resist physical damage.

Aside from not aggroing magic, they seem to be the same as most elementals to me.

[NynJa]

but they do not seem to receive increased damage from the elements they're weak against.

That was never the case...

[Sechs]

Derp to me then, as mentioned above I haven't tackled elementals on a mage job since the lv75 era and I seemed to recall them taking additional damage from the element they were weak against.
Oh well, guess the only difference is in the non aggroing thing then. Thank god they do not aggro magic or situations could get nasty in there

[Fireon]

I've found that the double elementals are very resistant to both of their elements, but that they are not resistant to the elements they are strong against, like the singles. I assume that's because being resistant to 4 elements would be kind of unfair.

Example: Ice elementals are resistant to ice magic and wind magic (wind is weak to ice). But Gefyrst (ice/water) take normal damage from wind magic.

[Hitou]

Yeah, you can nuke Gefyrst with Fire magic for full damage too. It would seem elementals, and maybe all mobs (?) can only resist 2 elements. I can't think of any mob that resists 3+ elements but I could be wrong.

[Foldypaws]

Yeah, you can nuke Gefyrst with Fire magic for full damage too. It would seem elementals, and maybe all mobs (?) can only resist 2 elements. I can't think of any mob that resists 3+ elements but I could be wrong.

The BCNM Avatars (Ifrit, etc..) resist 7 elements. Everything but what they're weak to.

[dasva]

The BCNM Avatars (Ifrit, etc..) resist 7 elements. Everything but what they're weak to.

It's more like they have a decently high meva which becomes insanely high with 2 elements and normal with 1. But I can land null element stuff on them about as easy as anything else of similar difficulty

[Foldypaws]

It's more like they have a decently high meva which becomes insanely high with 2 elements and normal with 1. But I can land null element stuff on them about as easy as anything else of similar difficulty

I'm pretty sure that e.g. Ifrit heavily resists all damage except water. You're saying you can land a wind nuke for as much on Ifrit as you could any random mob with equivalent stats?

Edit: Wait, are we talking resist as in MEVA or resist as in SDT? Because for the latter, I'm positive there are mobs with SDT against more than two elements.

[dasva]

I'm pretty sure that e.g. Ifrit heavily resists all damage except water. You're saying you can land a wind nuke for as much on Ifrit as you could any random mob with equivalent stats?

Edit: Wait, are we talking resist as in MEVA or resist as in SDT? Because for the latter, I'm positive there are mobs with SDT against more than two elements.

Not sure never bothered nuking them. Though that isn't exactly a good example as you are comparing monster with completely different stats to another. Better example would be using different element nukes on the same monster.

Well since you said resist I was talking about meva. SDT is another story all together and yes there are many mobs with multiple sdts. I might even go so far as to say most that actually have one have at least 2

[Foldypaws]

Not sure never bothered nuking them. Though that isn't exactly a good example as you are comparing monster with completely different stats to another. Better example would be using different element nukes on the same monster.

Well since you said resist I was talking about meva. SDT is another story all together and yes there are many mobs with multiple sdts. I might even go so far as to say most that actually have one have at least 2

Actually, I just went in to the (75) Trial By Fire fight, and I got resists for blind, slow, paralyze, gravity, sleep, distract, frazzle, silence and break.

Most of them are hard coded (completely resists), but in particular, Frazzle was just a normal resist message. A level 75ish mob should not be resisting my ilvl 119 Frazzle if it just has "high meva".

Only thing that landed was Poison.


Likewise, the only element that wasn't cut down to 1/16 was Water. (Well, and it absorbed Fire)

If you claim you can e.g. Frazzle Ifrit Prime, I'd like to see screenshots. Because based on my experience Ifrit Prime fully resists everything but water(fire), and in addition has 50% SDT to everything but water(fire) on top of that.

[dasva]

Oh I thought you meant the ilvl fights. Yeah some of the old stuff was probably like that. I'll go check it out later

[Lyramion]

> That just happened!



Eyeballing: I have seen tons of wings during low tier runs, however during all my high tier runs they seemed pretty rare.

[dasva]

> That just happened!



Eyeballing: I have seen tons of wings during low tier runs, however during all my high tier runs they seemed pretty rare.

Pink one?

[Lyramion]

Yeah pink one