The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[kuronosan]

I think the problem with this case is apparent. There is really no useful information or evidence.

[notorious bum]

This whole argument is bizarre and doesn't even deserve to be entertained. I know the neocon pundits love to speculate on fantasy scenarios, like Zimmy's gladiator tale that got bit by the prosecution hook, line, and sinker, but this game is just insulting at this point.

No useful info or evidence? How many eye-witness testimonies does it take before an unarmed black kid is no longer considered as a threat? How many bullets is too many when shooting at an unarmed fleeing/surrendering black kid? How incompetent and unlawful does a police department have to be before they get shut down? How many years will it take before America is fed-up with cops getting away with murder?

[Gokku]

A friend of mine speculated that if Hollywood would back reform movement would happen faster,but they base that off of the lgbt movement/support.

So we just need a movie named "Honor" to come out next Oct. Gunning for Oscars. Storyline with dirty cops getting away with true stories.

[Nephlite]

This whole argument is bizarre and doesn't even deserve to be entertained. I know the neocon pundits love to speculate on fantasy scenarios, like Zimmy's gladiator tale that got bit by the prosecution hook, line, and sinker, but this game is just insulting at this point.

No useful info or evidence? How many eye-witness testimonies does it take before an unarmed black kid is no longer considered as a threat? How many bullets is too many when shooting at an unarmed fleeing/surrendering black kid? How incompetent and unlawful does a police department have to be before they get shut down? How many years will it take before America is fed-up with cops getting away with murder?

America gets fed up when cops get away with murder, when Americans stop murdering their own for equally or even more so pointless and seemingly ambiguous reasons.

Sorry kid, time to face the real world. You're not solving anything until you fix the real issue.

[notorious bum]

Yeah, the system ain't broke, I get it. Next issue.

[Gokku]

There's a need for a huge shift in black culture yes... And as whole black people are not working on change bit that doesn't negate the need for change outside of just black culture. There needs to be a change in all facets of media and society but black culture is just as much of a problem.

[Salodin]

Fuck da police yo.

You're witnesses suck dude, that's the only reason we even still discuss this. Maybe it'll be better when their official statements are released; apparently it's all coming out mid November.

[Xno Kappa]

Pro-tip: Physical evidence almost always trumps testimonial. 90% of the time canvass interviews produce the same shit gossip everyone talks about. I SEENT IT is a popular way to get attention.

[NynJa]

were back to discussing expert witness accounts?!?

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/110...=1#post6182519

1-she said she saw the police officer attempting to place Brown in the rear seat of a squad car.
She then observed the teen, hands in the air, attempt to flee. Several shots were fired at Brown as he ran, Crenshaw said, striking him in the head and chest.

2-Dorian Johnson said he was walking with Brown in the middle of the street when a police car pulled up. The officer told the teens to use the sidewalk, according to Johnson.
After an exchange of words, the officer shot Brown even after he raised his hands in the air, Johnson said.

3-The officer tried to leave his vehicle just before the shooting on Saturday afternoon, but Brown pushed him back into the car, “where he physically assaulted the police officer” and struggled over the officer’s weapon, Belmar said.

These quotes were posted on this board August 10, the shooting was August 9.

And then matching "expert witness accounts" come out 2-3 weeks later from people who "absolutely never ever met each other in their lives not once not even for a moment not at all nope"

And like I said on august 10:

I'm pretty sure none of these matching stories means they'll favor the story of the cop.

[Salodin]

Like I said, the witnesses sucked. Lol.

[Acevalefor]

I think the movie "Monster's Inc." does a great job of summing up eyewitness testimony:

[NynJa]

This whole argument is bizarre and doesn't even deserve to be entertained. I know the neocon pundits love to speculate on fantasy scenarios, like Zimmy's gladiator tale that got bit by the prosecution hook, line, and sinker, but this game is just insulting at this point.

No useful info or evidence? How many eye-witness testimonies does it take before an unarmed black kid is no longer considered as a threat? How many bullets is too many when shooting at an unarmed fleeing/surrendering black kid? How incompetent and unlawful does a police department have to be before they get shut down? How many years will it take before America is fed-up with cops getting away with murder?

The amount of salt here could corrode the internet.

Whether you want to believe it or not, the eye witness reports dont match up with the physical evidence. Wait, nevermind, the eye witness reports dont match up with the eye witness reports.

[notorious bum]

The 6 witnesses give pretty fucking similar accounts. The 2 white construction workers confirming MB was surrendering minutes after is some of the most damning witness evidence you can get. I like how you still include Belmar's description as if that shit means anything.

Again, how many witnesses does it take to convict the man with a gun, versus an unarmed black teen? Can someone reference some cases where cops immediately got arrested after shooting an unarmed person, found guilty, and sent to prison to serve life, as any regular citizen would? I wonder what would differentiate this case with one of these rare unicorn events where a cop was culpable for his actions.

Asking for all eye-witness accounts to match each other or the physical evidence perfectly will never happen. The fact that Darren Wilson never filled out an incident report with police neglecting to follow proper procedure and get witness testimonies immediately(along with the disgusting disregard for the dead), leads me to distrust everything the FPD has said in this case, period.

[Xno Kappa]

The 6 witnesses give pretty fucking similar accounts. The 2 white construction workers confirming MB was surrendering minutes after is some of the most damning witness evidence you can get. I like how you still include Belmar's description as if that shit means anything.

Again, how many witnesses does it take to convict the man with a gun, versus an unarmed black teen? Can someone reference some cases where cops immediately got arrested after shooting an unarmed person, found guilty, and sent to prison to serve life, as any regular citizen would? I wonder what would differentiate this case with one of these rare unicorn events where a cop was culpable for his actions.

Asking for all eye-witness accounts to match each other or the physical evidence perfectly will never happen. The fact that Darren Wilson never filled out an incident report with police neglecting to follow proper procedure and get witness testimonies immediately(along with the disgusting disregard for the dead), leads me to distrust everything the FPD has said in this case, period.

Again, it's cute that you are absolutely adamant that no matter how much physical evidence dictates what happened, god damnit lets protest cuz it was racist!

[Quicklet]

Again, it's cute that you are absolutely adamant that no matter how much physical evidence dictates what happened, god damnit lets protest cuz it was racist!

If we're going to talk about physical evidence, then we should talk about the actual physical evidence, not secondhand interpretations/accounts of physical evidence. Regardless of the outcome of the grand jury, if they want people to feel like justice is being served properly, they need to release all the evidence to the public so that the facts can be scrutinized and stand up on their own. Selectively releasing stuff is pretty weak.

[archibaldcrane]

Does anyone else not really care what happened in the car before he was shot to death? It's pretty irrelevant - either ol' boy was "charging" the officer, or he was surrendering with his hands up. If it's A, "good shoot". If it's B, the cop is a murderer.

What happened in the car to make the cop really angry or whatever is meaningless.

[kuronosan]

Which is why I don't understand its relevance.

He surrendered and was shot. Doesn't that matter?

[notorious bum]

Neocon bloggers and pundits have hella fucking reach, basically. The dangerous black thug narrative is impervious to any sort of logic, even if that means the audience has to jump through multiple hoops to get there.

[NynJa]

Ok so you mention the video of the construction workers disussing what happened...which surfaced 2-3 weeks later. What about the video where someone was recording the scene and someone else was overheard talking about what he saw? An IMMEDIATE telling of events that supports the evidence?

NOPE DISMISS THAT CUZ RACISM.

Btw, if you guys want to throw your blind "your racist cuz u support the racist pig" hatred towards me, go right ahead, i dont give a fuck anymore. But you look really really stupid tossing it at Xno, im sure he doesnt want/need me to say that, but yeah.

[Nephlite]

Which is why I don't understand its relevance.

He surrendered and was shot. Doesn't that matter?

We just don't have enough evidence to support either. Brown could have very well surrendered AFTER he was shot, then slowly died. It's all just speculation at this point.